Xayah needs a nerf. Here's why:

Glamorous Rammus··4 votes·1,604 views

Xayah definitely has a unique, and interesting kit. She seems like a lot of fun to play! I think she's in a good spot- and the reliability of her kit is on point. My problem with Xayah is she casts abilities like she uses Energy.

Seriously- she gets to just spam cast everything she has without any Mana penalty. Xayah gets to just throw feathers all game like it's a regular attack. Laning against an opponent like Xayah, you would hope the charade of ability spamming will be short lived when she runs out of mana.. but that just doesn't happen!

When I look at other Ability-heavy ADCs like Ezreal or Varus, they have to play smart and conserve their mana until they get that Manamune. But Xayah has no need for Tear and that makes ME tear. QQ.

I don't think Xayah should change, her kit was nicely done and blends very well. She's extremely versatile, and there's a good degree of counter-play. However, I think it's a little much that she is able to spam cast without mana penalty.

I can't be the only one frustrated by this niche. I mean, what's the point of using Mana if there's no real mana cost/penalty to using abilities?

Let me know what you think.

19 Comments

Eternal Torment7 votes

Didn't Xayah JUST receive a nerf like 2 patches ago which removed the one mechanic making her so strong? The AA right after Q was removed so it puts up a delay so you cannot instant-root someone anymore and since then she has been considerably balanced. Besides, with xayah you have to cast abilities to use her passive, which in turn means using her E, so in exchange for rather low manacosts she has low cooldowns to spam her abilities through. Low cooldowns make the very same effect as high manacosts, you use it repeadedly until youre empty, and if you don't use xayah's abilities you will lose your pressure, and with it your lane, very quickly. She was designed for you to put pressure and use her abilities, that she doesn't have high costs is compensated by her being forced to engage those costs repeatedly in order to be useful.

Long story short, she is fine as she is right now. Twitch and Draven are a lot worse when it Comes to ADC, they should be looked at instead.

Glamorous Rammus3 votes

Tangent. Everything you said was completely irrelevant and lacking focus.

Using abilities doesn't mean engaging. She uses her abilities to zone and punish so she can be safe.

You're just rambling.

Xayah uses mana. If the mana never runs out then what's the point of having mana as a resource?

EVERY other champion that uses mana actually USES the mana. Xayah just spams all of her abilities constantly without any effect on her mana.

Keep your irrelevancies in the bedroom. [slayer-jinx-wink]

Eternal Torment3 votes

see, this is why you have -3 and i have +4 upvotes.

You want something from the people but will with utmost rudeness and Stupendous arrogance neglect and deny anything people say IF it is disagreeing with you.

As someone else said, you probably never have played xayah yourself.

PS: The reason she doesn't run out of mana is maybe because Essence Reaver is one of her core items? Food for thought.

StairCasexd2 votes

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see, this is why you have -3 and i have +4 upvotes.

You want something from the people but will with utmost rudeness and Stupendous arrogance neglect and deny anything people say IF it is disagreeing with you.

As someone else said, you probably never have played xayah yourself.

PS: The reason she doesn't run out of mana is maybe because Essence Reaver is one of her core items? Food for thought.

I never played xayah but playing against her, she's pretty underwhelming unless she's fed (and lots of charecters are strong when they're fed anyway). Or maybe I just never went against a skilled xayah. She's not a character that I thought anyone would ever say is OP but seems like you can take any character and say they're OP on the boards.

Eternal Torment2 votes

Xayah is a very Linear hypercarry that revolves around using her Feathers. Her damage Comes from how many feathers she can place, so yeah if she positions badly or gets behind she is a goner. She used to have that mechanic where you could Q-AA instantly to place 3 feathers and get a very quick root out of an instance that takes less than 1 second to use, if just decently performed, which riot nerfed and since then she had a very great spot. Xayah is the kinda champion who's power and threat are defined by not her Skill but by her enemies' stupidity and lazyness. Positioning is a game of smarts, not mechanics. and Xayah's kit is 75% positioning.

undesirable team3 votes

most marksmen have low mana costs your argument is irrelevant

Glamorous Rammus2 votes

I'm going to put this simply for you: You're wrong.

Psyrix2 votes

To be fair, xayah will play more like a midlaner/spellslinger. A slight mana nerf would probably be fine but likely not necessary. The q nerf kinda hit her hard, made her much more manageable to play against. Just remember to move as soon as she starts laying down feathers/casting her q. For the ult, move diagonally following the circumference of the max range

Glamorous Rammus2 votes

I know how to move out of the way. That isn't the issue. The issue is that there's no set back when she uses an ability. She doesn't have to play conservatively. It doesn't matter that you move out of the way- and Xayah players don't care either because they had nothing to lose by casting the ability. Xayah simply uses very little mana and regenerates it back too quickly for her to be concerned.

Look at Varus or Ezreal. Both ADCs rely a lot on the use of abilities. However, they have to play smart about casting abilities because their Mana reserves will ware thin. If Varus misses his Q, it seriously hurts him early/mid game. So a Varus won't go off trying to snipe out players every time his Q becomes available. Same with Ezreal. But Xayah doesn't have that concern.

Her Q missed? Oh well- doesn't matter to her. Now you're spending all game dancing around feathers while she's picking up easy farm because of the free-zoning.

Friendly Mid3 votes

I think you're just not playing around Xayah properly. And then because of this short coming in your mechanical abilities, you will look for any kind of excuse to claim that she's unfair. She's fair, and is balanced, you just have to know how to play around her.

Glamorous Rammus4 votes

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Friendly Mid4 votes

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Okay, don't come up with an intelligent response. Just use a dead meme and mock me. Classy.

Glamorous Rammus2 votes

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Okay, don't come up with an intelligent response. Just use a dead meme and mock me. Classy.

You didn't have an intelligent response. Talking about counter play like an echo through boards. Get an original thought and we can talk intelligently. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Friendly Mid1 votes

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You didn't have an intelligent response. Talking about counter play like an echo through boards. Get an original thought and we can talk intelligently. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Alright, I'll go deeper for you.

In the end Xayah has no dashes. Xayah has no real mobility and only has her ultimate to keep her alive if she gets caught. Her survival in a fight depends entirely on her team to peel for her and when she ults, she's the most vulnerable directly after. You beat Xayah the same way you beat any ADC. With patience. You wait for her root to be down, you wait for her ult to be down and she's pretty easy to lock down and kill.

Any champion is really strong when they're ahead and its important to know the difference between a broken champion and just a few bad run ins on her. For instance you, mentioned earlier that "My problem with Xayah is she casts abilities like she uses Energy" (Paragraph 1.) Here is a link to the most popular builds in Plat+ on the Korean server. https://na.op.gg/champion/xayah/statistics/adc

As you can see, item 3508 is the core item on every build. What this item does, is that it grants a base 10% CDR that scales with critical strike chance up to a cap of 30% so off of one item she's gaining 30% CDR (well not one item, she needs 2 other crit items) And every critical strike restores 3% of her maximum mana pool. So not only is she gaining CDR which lowers the cooldowns of her abilities; she's also gaining mana for every crit she lands. So if you want to talk about Xayah, don't talk about Mana and Abilities. She only has a 50% win rate and is picked 14% of the time.

She's balanced, statistically and visibly. Any champion when fed looks overpowered and you need to understand that just because you cannot comprehend why something is good, does not mean it is broken. It means you are lacking the understanding necessary to make a claim of this magnitude and until you can, should never do so. You came on the board begging for us to quote:

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Let me know what you think.

Yet when we have differing opinions, you get butthurt. Edit your post to say: "Comment a like-minded opinion so we can both complain about how totally broken she is."

Glamorous Rammus1 votes

I stated in the post that there is a good degree of counter-play. Clearly, I had already acknowledged what you said prior to your saying it.

This should indicate that I had already taken into consideration the multiple ways to outplay Xayah: from skill dodging to engaging, etc. My concern is the PURPOSE of mana. Mana is meant to be finite.

If Xayah is meant to be able to cast her abilities the way she does, then the use of Mana is ironic and misleading. This is a huge niche is her kit. She could just as easily use energy, or have higher mana costs and still be extremely viable.

Euthenaasia1 votes

You aren't very intelligent and your replies are sad. Let this post die and stop embarrassing yourself.

Friendly Mid5 votes

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Also this https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/jLGvQ3Wk-before-you-make-a-post-about-balance

Phyuq Yiu2 votes

There is no counterplay to Xayah. They nailed it with her. She is never out of position. you can land hard cc on her and all of your Zyra stuff. If she dies shes taking you with her unless you exhaust and flash and let somebody else finish her lmao.

I just know not to mess with her since I walked up, dodged her QE and still got bursted so damn fast. She is very safe before 6 because if you fuck with her she burst you.

People just know not to fuck with her. Any Xayah that doesnt dominate is bad. Like Yasuo.

Xayah and Cait are fine "balanced" because if you play passive enough you can make it out of lane.

RuFiot1 votes

Her damage is way too high for a kinda safe adc, her power spike is way too soon (essence river), and her kit let's her do good dmg in team fights so she is also strong late. (Also an overloaded kit)

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