Tell everyone how to beat your main.

Blade of Justic·Apr 24, 2017·27 votes·4,534 views

In this thread, against many player's better judgement, inform us on how to beat your main.

(Support) : Spell shields of any type are literally my worst nightmare. Champs with hard CC as well such as etc. are also really good at locking down me and my team when my goal is to speed me or them up in order to move us into better positions.

I'd recommend putting pressure on me in order to make me choose between reviving a team member or myself.

In bot lane, I dread this combo: and .

Items such as and are good choices when the bombing and slowing are a bit too much.

Tell us, summoners. How do we beat your main?

243 Comments

MelledoneusApr 24, 201726 votes

Shen

Type "Where's Vorpal Blade?" in chat and watch them induce in self-destructive behavior including, but not limited to, heavy drinking with the intention to forget.

OelykApr 25, 20171 votes

What happened to his vorpal blade?

MelledoneusApr 25, 20175 votes

https://33.media.tumblr.com/7ff8bcb6976f8ce9976886cb19f19882/tumblr_inline_nzvb0pyIIF1t09sb5_500.gif

Stars ShaperApr 24, 201722 votes

AurelionSol Hug him like it's the cutest plushie you've ever seen.

Viktor Von LazerApr 24, 20171 votes

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Hug him like it's the cutest plushie you've ever seen.

then he throws a stun into your face...

Stars ShaperApr 24, 201716 votes

Can't doubletap though.

KnoyleApr 24, 201710 votes

You say that like he isn't already the cutest plushie you have ever seen.

Elkington VIApr 24, 201713 votes

Trundle

-Kite him whenever he ults you, it lasts for 4 seconds. Treat his ult the same way you would with Jax or Illaoi's. -Force fights before he finishes 2 items. -Play literally any AP champ with a MS boost or dash. -Play a champ that doesn't rely on stacking defense to do their job. -Grievous wounds

Succubús GFApr 24, 201710 votes

Ahri :3

Jinzo TorranceApr 24, 201710 votes

Viktor :

Never buy Hexdrinker against a Viktor, never.

That's it, also don't dodge his E detonation.

MrryZApr 24, 201718 votes

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/something-smells-fishy-and-it-certainly-isnt-fish.jpg

Big LincolnApr 24, 20178 votes

Illaoi

move backwards when she ults, perpendicular for Q and E

easy money

Milodic MellodiApr 24, 20176 votes

Also GW. Her Lifesteal is godly, but if you shut that down she can be taken out quite easily.

Kian987Apr 24, 20178 votes

Shen

You have already won the lane. You can easily farm, push and get first blood on turret. Don't worry when Shen is using his «game-changing ultimate» because it doesn't change anything. Do you really need more tips? YOU WON! What the hell are you still doing here?

RalanrApr 24, 20177 votes

Sion: mobility and hard CC means he'll barely do anything in lane. Watch where you stand with your minions and don't stand near the edge of his hitboxes.

DIRUApr 24, 20177 votes

Bard - You don't exactly beat him, you beat his ADC whenever he roams.

Blitz and other heavy engage supports are very good both for killing Bard and zoning the ADC off of any farm.
After a while he'll start dealing huge damage so you'll have to focus him, too. Him portalling away is OK (he won't be in the fight for a while), but don't go into the portal almost ever. Free Q.
You can plan ambushes around his chimes when you see him missing from lane.
In lane make sure not to stand in a line with anyone.

there's more but i'm tired

MalfectiousApr 24, 20176 votes

Heimerdinger: Just focus my turrets...i am nothing without them

RivenwindApr 24, 20176 votes

Anivia

Shove your lane under her tower to punish her inability to effectively farm under turret. She relies on freezing her wave to succeed in her early laning phase against aggressive opponents. Crash your wave to turret and reset the wave to force her from safety. Forcing her to expend her mana to keep her wave frozen is the best key to your safety alongside warding to avoid her jungler merc'ing you, she'll have no mana to harass you.

Do NOT overcommit when she egg. If you aren't sure you can kill her while she's reincarnating, pop her egg and back off. Wait for CD's and kill her when her egg is down. She will have no choice but to play safely and temper her aggression with her fear of dying in the event she misses her skill shots. She is weak to well coordinated dives and flanks.

She is skillshot reliant, avoiding her Q is important in her early levels. Be aware of your autopathing when she walls you - anivia is reliant on you making the wrong choice and walking into her abilities. Do not stray too close to her turret or terrain, a good anivia player can and will wall you to force you to take turret shots or pin you between her wall+terrain for you to eat her full combo and likely die.

Her midgame is strong because she is a seige and pick goddess. Ward well to avoid getting caught by unfavorable exchanges in the jungle where the tight quarters make her an undeniable force. She can wave clear extremely well to avoid sieges until late game, so rotate to a lane where she isn't to push down a turret. If you have a champion that can feasibly build it, item 3060 seriously screws her. She is one of the slowest moving champions in the league and you can simply out rotate her that way, even better if you can assassinate her while she's rotating to respond to a push. If you have a competent assassin she is a decent target - you can kill her and force objectives where her absence is most felt - particularly drag and baron/herald where her zoning tools in the river can spell death for your team.

Late game she plateaus and becomes more of a utility bot with her zoning tools. Her burst damage will cap out and become less effective as players get more gold to buy defenses over the course of the game and can simply withstand her burst. That said, I would not underestimate an anivia that invests into a item 3151 purchase to specifically melt tanks and super minions, allowing her to scale along with your team's defenses in a way long after her AP core is finished.

SpoofghoulApr 24, 20176 votes

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She relies on freezing her wave

The irony

Milodic MellodiApr 24, 201716 votes

The irony

How's that ironic? That's the opposite of irony.

PlsCheckThisBushApr 24, 20176 votes

RekSai

Stop moving when she's Burrowed. The nerfs to Tremor Sense made it incredibly difficult to accurately track a champion and we often have to rely on predictions, leading to a lot of cases where we will just walk past the bush you're sitting in.

Gerp0leApr 24, 20175 votes

So like that scene from Jurassic Park ? RekSai = Chogath ?

GibberwattApr 24, 20175 votes

Anivia I, for one, am a cocky bastard, and so will try to hit you with max range Q's. The moment I through one of those out, you dodge it and jump me. I will basically die.

Blitzcrank / Thresh I know you all think minion block is a thing, but you don't know about tilt/confusion - if you walk like a squirrel (little zig zags), any blitz/thresh will be so spooked they won't throw out a hook. Also, if you dodge a hook that should have landed, they will miss others most likely.

420 gramsApr 24, 20174 votes

Fiora: reset vitals when you get ones that hard to defend. In fights, protect your vitals (walls work really well). If you stand there and let her proc vitals for free, she'll do a lot of damage. You have to actually pay attention and try to counter play (I know, such an odd concept)

Hexs FortuneApr 24, 20176 votes

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Fiora: reset vitals when you get ones that hard to defend. In fights, protect your vitals (walls work really well). If you stand there and let her proc vitals for free, she'll do a lot of damage. You have to actually pay attention and try to counter play (I know, such an odd concept)

Buy item 3123 for 800g

Fiora : My passive, ult and lifesteal item..... ZE DO NOTHING!!

agbudarApr 24, 20174 votes

Rammus

dont go ad or melee

the end

ME UNGA ME SMASHApr 24, 20174 votes

Darius Kiting is any juggernauts weakness, but more so with Darius, since any sort of slow or hard cc shuts him down completely. Being in range of his no no circle means certain death for most squishys mid game, so stay you distance and gang up on him. When you start getting stacked on, honestly just get away. Letting him hit 5 on you means letting him basically get massive free damage against your whole team, so don't try to just facetank him in teamfights when he does get onto you. Early ganks (usually 3-4) means burning a Darius' summoners or killing him, as he has little to no means of escape.

EnsorcellApr 24, 20174 votes

Kindred Play a champion with strong displacements, such as skarner, poppy, or the reworked zac when he comes out

Taliyah Play yasuo, or other assassins with lots of mobility. Just beware if your champion has a dash.

Skarner Play a champion with true damage, such as fiora, or play a ranged champion as he is very easy to kite. He hurts like a bitch tho, so dont let him lock u down with ult and e.

mrgiraffeweevilApr 24, 20174 votes

Blitzcrank Dodge his hooks That's it, that's the big secret. His counter is just as simple as him. Get ward coverage so he can't blind hook you, and stay far enough away so that he can't flash E you.

NekoniClawsApr 24, 20174 votes

Leona - poke. If you can't to poke me down, poke my adc down, and they'll be too low for me to engage. NEVER think, 'oh, Leona won't notice I'm in range' - it's literally all I'm looking for. Mikael and QSS.

Thresh - I'm weak early, it's easy to kill me and make my ADC back out, and ontop of that I've got no magic resist. Punish me when I start walking forward for a hook. If I'm trying to corral you into a corner, it's time to juke. The hardest place for me to hook you is from under my own tower, as long as you have a big minion wave and my ADC will lose CS if I do, I won't engage.

P0IS0N IVYApr 24, 20174 votes

Zyra Pretend the adc doesn't exist and target her.

BigNickelApr 24, 20174 votes

Draven hard cc really tanky supports like Leona Blitzcrank Thresh Alistar Galio Nautilus

AlienPrimateApr 25, 20174 votes

Delete him...oh

http://i.imgur.com/a5xtq.jpg

Only Play DariusApr 24, 20173 votes

Darius Get better

TimX24968BApr 24, 201715 votes

or play any ADC toplane and learn how to kite.

Only Play DariusApr 24, 20179 votes

Don't do that to me. Please.

TimX24968BApr 24, 20171 votes

exactly. Thats when you rush thornmail.

Only Play DariusApr 24, 20176 votes

Thornmail is a trap and is worthless against pen/lifesteal/mr and will screw you if the enemy jungler is AP. I usually just rush item 3047 then build item 3044 then I have at least a chance of sticking to them for 5 stacks

TimX24968BApr 24, 20171 votes

I find thornmail works well on garen against ADC top lanes, however. but thats just me.

Only Play DariusApr 24, 20174 votes

Works for him because he gets passive magic resist and can hit his W for damage reduction if he is getting ganked, Darius has no such defenses early game

rework trundleApr 24, 20173 votes

Nasus If you push him under tower lvl 2-5, you're digging your own grave. You're not gonna do shit to him and he'll lifesteal everything you throw at him. Nasus is a very small doge that grows fast, if you're giving him free XP and gold pre-6, he'll 2 shot your carry at 20.

Chromatic EagleApr 24, 20173 votes

Leona Lots of poke. Sivir Bait the E, then hard engage. Can also wait until she throws her Q. Costs a lot of mana.

World EnderApr 24, 20173 votes

Aatrox Please, do you really need help to beat me? item 3070

TotalJerkApr 25, 20173 votes

Soraka

Buy or
Focus her
Don't let her land Q

Bob the ToastrApr 25, 20173 votes

Graves Take his cigar. People will be too busy complaining to try to win.

Wind234Apr 25, 20173 votes

I'm hardly an expert, but....

Lux - as my most played champ, I feel like I know her pretty well. She's going to want to stay back and farm safely. A lot of Lux players use her E and passive to help farm, as well as provide some zone control, but her E also has a high mana cost and cooldown. In addition, her Q is a slow-moving skill shot and it can be easily body-blocked by minions or simply outright avoided if you watch it. It too has a higher cooldown early in the game, so the best time to punish Lux is when she's missed her spells. She's squishy and immobile, and while she does have a shield on her W, the way it works makes it very ineffective to use on herself and can easily be burst through. With the way her ult has a small reset on it now, she's going to want to save it for when she's confident she can kill an enemy with it and while it hurts, it can't kill you from full health by itself (unless you're extremely underfed). Any champions who can either out-range her like Xerath Velkoz or champions who can get up close to her face like Fizz Yasuo Leblanc give her a really hard time in lane and can shut her down pretty easily.

So the TL:DR is: -High cooldowns and mana costs in the early game (pre-6/before Morello) -Punish her when she misses her skills -Get up close and personal OR use superior range -Her shield is meh -Watch her skill shots and try to bait them out