@Meddler What exactly did the Zyra Ai Tweaks touch up on?

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Zyra's plant logic will not be that much different. Here's the actual logic for those curious:

1. Units that have taunted the plant (e.g., Shen), whatever their range.. they will just stare at an out of range unit while taunted
2. Champs Zyra has auto-attacked in the last 3 seconds (prioritizing most recently attacked)
3. Champs that have recently been attacked by any plant (prioritizing nearest)
4. Champs within 350 units of the plant -- for reference, 350 is the size of Lee Sin's E1 or Evelynn's R (prioritizing closest)
5. Non-champs Zyra has AA'd (prioritizing most recently attacked)
6. Any unit in range (prioritizing closest)

The changes in 5.18 are that: 2 and 5 now use "most recent" over "closest", allowing Zyra to better re-direct plants to higher priority targets; Plants will no longer get hung up on invisible targets, such as champions in fog of war; Plants will no longer sometimes mis-believe that they attacked on spawn (which caused a long delay before their first real attack); Plants will quickly move to face the target they are going to attack next, so you can get a better sense for how your actions shape their priorities.

Are there any changes planned for the root duration of her E? Because the cast animation is so long that at rank 1 Zyra can't actually close the gap because it feels like she stands still for roughly the same duration as the root.

It's 0.75 / 1 / 1.25 / 1.5 / 1.75 now perhaps it can be changed to 1 / 1.25 / 1.75 at rank 1, 3 and 5?

While you're working on the code for Zyra's plants, could you also take a look at her passive? It'd be great if you made it so players can't cast (or "queue") the passive until it's actually ready to go off. Keep the same "bloom" delay, but if you press a button during the bloom period, it just doesn't do anything. Once the passive has finished blooming, then you can cast it.

It really sucks to queue your passive in the wrong direction during a heated teamfight, and then have nothing to do but sit there and wait two seconds for your team to realize you're a moron.

Bonus points: make it so when Zyra dies, pressing any QWER key casts her passive even if she hasn't learned that spell yet. I refuse to disclose how many times I've switched my spell order and then died at level 1 and thought my passive wasn't working because I kept mashing a key for a spell I didn't know yet.

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Zyra's plant logic will not be that much different. Here's the actual logic for those curious:

1. Units that have taunted the plant (e.g., Shen), whatever their range.. they will just stare at an out of range unit while taunted
2. Champs Zyra has auto-attacked in the last 3 seconds (prioritizing most recently attacked)
3. Champs that have recently been attacked by any plant (prioritizing nearest)
4. Champs within 350 units of the plant -- for reference, 350 is the size of Lee Sin's E1 or Evelynn's R (prioritizing closest)
5. Non-champs Zyra has AA'd (prioritizing most recently attacked)
6. Any unit in range (prioritizing closest)

The changes in 5.18 are that: 2 and 5 now use "most recent" over "closest", allowing Zyra to better re-direct plants to higher priority targets; Plants will no longer get hung up on invisible targets, such as champions in fog of war; Plants will no longer sometimes mis-believe that they attacked on spawn (which caused a long delay before their first real attack); Plants will quickly move to face the target they are going to attack next, so you can get a better sense for how your actions shape their priorities.

These are really nice changes :) Thanks a lot.

4. Champs within 350 units of the plant -- for reference, 350 is the size of Lee Sin's E1 or Evelynn's R (prioritizing closest)

I have to admit that I don't play a lot of Zyra, so someone should correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel that numer 4 isn't there.. I don't notice it. Usually if a champ goes near the plant it keeps attacking minions or whatever. Also I feel numer 3 and 4 should be swapped in priority.. thoughts?

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3. Champs that have recently been attacked by any plant (prioritizing nearest)
4. Champs within 350 units of the plant -- for reference, 350 is the size of Lee Sin's E1 or Evelynn's R (prioritizing closest)

This is news to me. If I'm understanding this correctly, 3 & 4 have always been part of the plants' AI? Those two combined mean that if Zyra QWs right on an enemy, the plant will attack the champion (because of 4), and then will continue to attack the champion as long as they stay in the plant's range (because of 3). In my experience this doesn't happen reliably on live (the only way to get plants to attack a champion reliably is to autoattack them). Has anything changed on this front?

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Zyra's plant logic will not be that much different. Here's the actual logic for those curious:

1. Units that have taunted the plant (e.g., Shen), whatever their range.. they will just stare at an out of range unit while taunted
2. Champs Zyra has auto-attacked in the last 3 seconds (prioritizing most recently attacked)
3. Champs that have recently been attacked by any plant (prioritizing nearest)
4. Champs within 350 units of the plant -- for reference, 350 is the size of Lee Sin's E1 or Evelynn's R (prioritizing closest)
5. Non-champs Zyra has AA'd (prioritizing most recently attacked)
6. Any unit in range (prioritizing closest)

The changes in 5.18 are that: 2 and 5 now use "most recent" over "closest", allowing Zyra to better re-direct plants to higher priority targets; Plants will no longer get hung up on invisible targets, such as champions in fog of war; Plants will no longer sometimes mis-believe that they attacked on spawn (which caused a long delay before their first real attack); Plants will quickly move to face the target they are going to attack next, so you can get a better sense for how your actions shape their priorities.

Would it be possible to make plants enraged by her ultimate have priority number four be the closest enemy champion in range rather than being limited to 350 range?

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Zyra's plant logic will not be that much different. Here's the actual logic for those curious:

1. Units that have taunted the plant (e.g., Shen), whatever their range.. they will just stare at an out of range unit while taunted
2. Champs Zyra has auto-attacked in the last 3 seconds (prioritizing most recently attacked)
3. Champs that have recently been attacked by any plant (prioritizing nearest)
4. Champs within 350 units of the plant -- for reference, 350 is the size of Lee Sin's E1 or Evelynn's R (prioritizing closest)
5. Non-champs Zyra has AA'd (prioritizing most recently attacked)
6. Any unit in range (prioritizing closest)

The changes in 5.18 are that: 2 and 5 now use "most recent" over "closest", allowing Zyra to better re-direct plants to higher priority targets; Plants will no longer get hung up on invisible targets, such as champions in fog of war; > Plants will no longer sometimes mis-believe that they attacked on spawn (which caused a long delay before their first real attack); Plants will quickly move to face the target they are going to attack next, so you can get a better sense for how your actions shape their priorities.

Oh my god. Final-fucking-ly. This alone is going to be huge.

I really hope points 3 and 4 are going to be implemented properly this time because on live plants will change targets even if the champion has been tagged. At first I read it had something to do with Zyra's vision but I didn't think that was in a literal sense but I noticed the target swapping occurs more often when you back off when you literally turn away and would "lose sight" physically.

I'll put this in a thread by itself, but after the patch has gone out it definitely seems like 2, 4 and 5 are working properly, but 3 does not seem to be working at all. Tested this with both 1 plant getting an auto (due to 4), and having the champ walk into the adjacent range, and 2 plants next to each other that both get an auto before having the champ walk. Both instances, the plants deaggroed once the enemy was out of the 350 sensor range, despite having been auto'd by a plant.

I honestly believe they should have the same logic as Heimer's turrets which allow selection of a target via attack click rather than landing a basic attack. Plus, the plants are not prioritizing champions otherwise, and Zyra shouldn't be up in an adc's face trying to make the plants function properly. Heimer had the perfect model for this, and I have no idea why it was not followed.