Its impossible to play any squishy champion, including assassins against him right now, he does insane damage while having over 3000 health and healing for over 200 per sec with his W + Conqueror, he just runs you over and you cant escape or fight him back unless you're playing another duelist bruiser.
Champ is beyond broken.
XJ999999999999998 votesconq needs to be gutted
Ragnaveil1 votesIdk, do you really think by gutting Conq that its just gonna fix the issues in top? It won't. Riven Jax and whoever else is at the top will drop a peg or two and then the next pair of broken champs will take their place.
Ahris2 votesProb tanks seeing that riot is buffing them a lot rn
LTK KoRo2 votesi guess adcs aren't dominating game enough, so we need to buff tanks, great
Ragnaveil1 votesTanks need more than just Conq getting hit by the way. Pretty sure people forget armor pen got reworked (Especially BC) so base armor is equated in the shred. Long as it remains at a high amount and tanks can't get a ton of stats to offset it, they will still suffer.
ChiefDovahkin1 votesTanks need more than just Conq getting hit by the way. Pretty sure people forget armor pen got reworked (Especially BC) so base armor is equated in the shred. Long as it remains at a high amount and tanks can't get a ton of stats to offset it, they will still suffer.
Do you really believe this though? Even old conqueror that did 20% true damage wasn't stopping god tanks like Sion from being viable. If you're playing a tank and can't solo a bruiser that has conq and BC, you need to realize they're built directly against you. BC really isn't that efficient in most games as it's cost is too high, it doesn't have a very efficient build path compared to tank items (expensive components and 1350 combine cost), and it really doesn't do that much damage. The item is mostly health and shifting to consider base armor still didn't make up for the damage loss it faced a few seasons back. When you look at the cost of BC vs trinity, it's not hard to figure out why no one is building BC unless in tank matchups. This means that moving into team phase, you may lack damage vs a bruiser, but a tank's cc and survivability should go much further than shredding 24% armor for your team. In my experience, I don't find tanks that weak. They're still played more often than not in pro play, although the diversity is a bit dry. It's really just a different meta. Tanks ruled the game more seasons than they haven't. Also, conqueror is actually pretty shite right now imo. Very few champs use it efficiently, but the ones that do abuse the healing more than anything else. The bonus attack damage really isn't much when you look at domination/sorc runes and the amount of utility and damage they supply to certain champs, but 10% healing on top of other healing is pretty great for pre 6 trades and it basically forces the enemy to take ignite.
Anime Fizz1 votesconq needs to be gutted
The problem is not conqueror, the problem is hecarim being overbuffed too much.
Ragnaveil1 votesHere's the thing, he heals for a % of the damage taken by a target in his W. You can simple just hit that instead of his damage.
Sergeant HbA1c1 votes[{quoted}](name=Anime Fizz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ejkn4GxN,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-04-01T22:26:44.653+0000)
The problem is not conqueror, the problem is hecarim being overbuffed too much.
Eh. Both are a problem, but Hecarim's issues manifest from the behavior of Conqueror. Conqueror's is ok as a concept but it was implemented horribly.
The stacks persist for too long and do not require someone to commit to an attack. The true damage is converted into healing and doesn't just grant lifesteal. If I'm not mistaken, it also grants stacks whenever damage is inflicted on a target and doesn't check for unique casts.
It has too much utility.
If Conqueror was nerfed, Hecarims would actually have to make prudent engages and not just pick a person and say, "This SOB dies now."
MessyStuff4 votesconq needs to be gutted
Conq is already pretty bad, it's just Hecarim. It's only op on people like Riven.
MysticShaker1 votesconq needs to be gutted Just remove the bonus AD so it would be viable only for dealing tanks and not also squishies
Saevum6 votesHes fine.
Tòò Ez3 votesYeah dude these people just haven't seen much of him so don't know how to play against him. Now he's popping up and popping off (finally) people are getting tilted
Sewer Side1 votesHe just got buffed.
GayFluffyUnicorn4 votesPeople can fuck right off with their cries. Hecarim is one of the OG toplaners making a return he deserves to be there and honestly as bruiser draintank heca he is WAY more healthy than some lethality predator oneshot cheese.
Truli911 votesHes fine.
no hes not "fine". ADCs were gutted to the ground and they lose tanking over damage, but hecarim has more damage and more tanking and mobility than an ADC. hes very strong and mobile and tanky. He needs to get gutted. He can be played with your eyes close and you would still have alot of kills.
Ulquiorra01236 votesWait I feel like I see this anytime hes actually seeing some play because hes in a decent spot. Oh wait, I do, every single damn time that Hec is anywhere near viable people are crying, its great. One bit of advice, git gud.
GayFluffyUnicorn6 votesNo, whenever any toplaner is barely playable people lose their shit.
They just cannot stand to get their missplays punished which is what bruisers do best same as assassins.
They aren't hated for no reason they are hated because bad players can't deal with them. Most of the hate btw comes from botlane mains anyways who are used to just statcheck the other adc to death or come lategame stand infront of a tank and mow them down, they cannot do that to a heca so they cry. Or a jax. Or an olaf.
Spicy Rice2 votesYou also gotta love how people complain about bruisers healing and being tanky, while also not buying anti heal that also has penetration.
ChiefDovahkin1 votes[{quoted}](name=Spicy Rice,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ejkn4GxN,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2019-04-02T14:10:23.652+0000)
You also gotta love how people complain about bruisers healing and being tanky, while also not buying anti heal that also has penetration.
Hence why you don't see a lot of bruisers in organized play and never have. There's a lot of things built into the game that counter them well, but if you bruiser pick into an immobile comp of bronzies, it's freelo.
Ralanr1 votesWait isn’t Hecarim a jungler?
ßurst1 votespeople are playing him toplane since that is where he is strong rn
ßurst2 votesAgreed, feels like adc's can just run rampant where ever but when it comes to toplane they need nerfs, nerf their items, gut their champs, etc.
ChiefDovahkin1 votesAgreed, feels like adc's can just run rampant where ever but when it comes to toplane they need nerfs, nerf their items, gut their champs, etc.
This right here! Top always gets the quickest response when something is "out of line". Right now I would consider most of the marksman class to be pretty strong relative to the entire cast of champions, especially kite heavy champs like ezreal. Man, I hate playing against Ezreal. He has this strange notion where people consider him difficult because he's skillshot based, but most adcs rely on skillshots as a chunk of their damage and don't get rewarded with a free flash every 15 secs at rank 1. He's not the only one, but my point is that there are other classes that are just as strong and have just as much carry potential while being safer.
ßurst2 votesnot to mention ez builds more defensively than the average adc
ChiefDovahkin1 votesnot to mention ez builds more defensively than the average adc
Honestly his ibg tabis build is too much. He gets decent damage with huge tankiness vs the other adc. If he even gets ahead by a few kills and your comp is ad heavy, good luck killing him at all while he dishes out tons of damage.
ChiefDovahkin1 votesNo, whenever any toplaner is barely playable people lose their shit.
They just cannot stand to get their missplays punished which is what bruisers do best same as assassins.
They aren't hated for no reason they are hated because bad players can't deal with them. Most of the hate btw comes from botlane mains anyways who are used to just statcheck the other adc to death or come lategame stand infront of a tank and mow them down, they cannot do that to a heca so they cry. Or a jax. Or an olaf.
This is single-handedly the reason for every Darius nerf ever (and bruisers in general). Even in Darius' best state ever, 2 seasons ago, he was still completely kiteable and had great difficulty closing games out vs a good marksman or mage. But once someone sees him/jax/heca get a solo triple off perfect resets and a perfect engage while prioritizing the enemy team correctly, they lose their shit and claim no counterplay. I can't tell you how many times I've just outplayed the other team via darius stacking on their front line then rotating to their back or just flanking in general to get an all chat cry for nerfs.
Truli911 votesWait I feel like I see this anytime hes actually seeing some play because hes in a decent spot. Oh wait, I do, every single damn time that Hec is anywhere near viable people are crying, its great. One bit of advice, git gud.
"git gut" sounds something like a 13 year old with pimples would say. Someone brings an argument and 13 year old you: "git gut, haha, i still wet the bed"
Tòò Ez3 votesMore like finally in a good spot
Sky Cardis3 votesI ruin Hecarim's day all the time as a Janna and hes on enemy team XD She makes a fantastic counter against him. When I see him charging in...rather her Ult shoves him away or knocking him into the air. She stops him in his tracks everytime.
Thefrostyviking2 votesHe might be strong but he shouldnt be real overpowered just yet.
Vayne and Jinx are there though, and so are Riven, Zed and nami.
' Heca does have quite the pickrate though, i wonder if its because he is one of the few fighter class melee that can both reliably gapclose and fight well now thanks to conqueror?
ChiefDovahkin1 votesHe might be strong but he shouldnt be real overpowered just yet.
Vayne and Jinx are there though, and so are Riven, Zed and nami.
' Heca does have quite the pickrate though, i wonder if its because he is one of the few fighter class melee that can both reliably gapclose and fight well now thanks to conqueror?
He's legit 1 of the only champs left that can use conq effectively. It synergizes with his q and w and in general bruiser Hec is a better champ at all states of the game than most other options bc of long ranged engage.
Thefrostyviking1 votesI mean he is basically one of the more ideal divers.
Conqueror gives him damage in general and fuels his W, it also lets him fight equally with many others and the sum of it all?
Really good champ at this time.
Mathgodpi2 votesA ridiculous amount of mobility combined with tankiness and decent damage. He needs to be nerfed.
Ragnaveil1 votesMore flavor of the month needing nerfs in toplane, just truly wondering when this will end where something that is at the top isn't broken.
heroikc1 votesSnowball needs to be curbed.
NaughtyWord1 votesYup. Any time I see an enemy 
I just rush 
and hope for the best as 
there isn't a damn thing I can do about him.
Spicy Rice1 votesW and walk away....
R and walk away...
Have your support cc him, and walk away
hhaavviikk1 votesplaying hecarim as an assassin is all he's good for, nerf that and you have to rework him
ChiefDovahkin1 votesEveryone qqing that hec has no counterplay, but literally if you have a single champ with an easy to hit root/stun he's completely useless. He'll have no one shot potential and his healing just has a different mechanic than other champs which rewards for him helping his team. Most people won't be aware of how it works and they consistently underestimate his damage early - mid game.
SuperShottie1 votes[{quoted}](name=Anime Fizz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ejkn4GxN,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-04-01T21:20:55.111+0000)
Its impossible to play any squishy champion, including assassins against him right now, he does insane damage while having over 3000 health and healing for over 200 per sec with his W + Conqueror, he just runs you over and you cant escape or fight him back unless you're playing another duelist bruiser.
Champ is beyond broken.
Nah we need a Tank/Assasin in the game. That can of course roam anywhere in the map instantly.