When is literally anything going to be changed with Janna

Doseqis·Dec 29, 2016·25 votes·1,826 views

This champion is just insanely overpowered with one of the lowest skill floors in the game and should seriously be looked at for changes, i don't really get how she hasn't been touched by Riot even while she maintains a very high winrate despite being team reliant.

One thing is her shield AD, it just doesn't let the enemy win trades in lane and outvalues anything the other support offers.

The only other thing worth changing is her ult, it should have some sort of cast time or charge before she blows people away since right now it just has the power to instantly shoot anyone away who even tries to engage onto you with no counterplay on the receiving end.

That seems to really be her problem is she has so much hidden power that has little to no counterplay

48 Comments

GeauxxDec 29, 20166 votes

this whole time you're of the first person i've seen to ever complain on the boards about janna.

Tbh i think it may just be the itemization as of late. The champ is rarely touched, not paying too much attention but wasn't her last nerf/buff at like early season 5 or something? when her Q was actually just oppressing?

DoseqisDec 29, 20164 votes

The problem i have with her when i play bot lane is her shield, when i play any other role it's her Ult and shield.

I am completely fine with her getting a giant shield but the 50 AD is rediculous and lets her ADC win any trade with her doing practically nothing.

That adds so much hidder power to her kit (which riot already stated that they don't like) and makes her just frusterating to play against.

JorenciceDec 29, 20161 votes

Psh 50 AD late game ive hit 120 AD on muh shield ^-^

Ulquiorra995Dec 29, 20162 votes

And what would you put on her shield to compensate for AD loss? Only shields that don't have a secondary effect are passive abilities. Morgana blocks CC, Ivern slows, Karma gives a speed boost, Thresh gives a get-out-of-jail free card, etc.

Spice POWAHDec 29, 20161 votes

she shouldn't lose the AD, it'd be better to either reduce the base or reduce the shield duration.

MLDzXnRRRDec 29, 20165 votes

She got nerfs some time ago.

TheLittlestLuluDec 29, 20165 votes

Janna is already the single most nerfed champion in the game.

You weren't around back in the day when Janna's ult also slowed the enemy and her Q always did maximum knockup regardless of charge.

DoseqisDec 29, 20166 votes

She could use some more tbh, until they hit the key issues in her kit which are uninteractive gameplay through her shield providing both offense and defensive properties.

She needs to do something other than shield during trades and use her W for a slow, Janna herself should have to make an effort during trades to come out ahead.

ZephyrDrakeDec 29, 20166 votes

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She could use some more tbh, until they hit the key issues in her kit which are uninteractive gameplay through her shield providing both offense and defensive properties.

She needs to do something other than shield during trades and use her W for a slow, Janna herself should have to make an effort during trades to come out ahead.

she is a reactionary support, it's on her ADC to win trades not her. You pick Janna for the insane peel she provides not to have her interact with others. She is literally there to shield someone and then use the rest of her kit to protect her carries. Janna is fine the way she is, the items are the issue. It would make no sense to nerf Janna just to nerf the items and then leave Janna in a terrible spot

DoseqisDec 29, 20163 votes

I'm fine with her ADC winning trades if they deserve it not because they just got a huge shield with AD attached to it.

The AD doesn't even make in sense in a wind based kit, She needs to actually have some sort of challenge to peeling if she can give them that amount of power as well.

I would be fine with her being able to give her ADC a ton of power and let them do things if she didn't have the ability to deny any engage with absolutely no player skill used, she just presses R and your engage is ruined, there is nothing you can do about it.

That seems to be one thing janna has, you just can't do things about her abilities to stop them

GeauxxDec 30, 20161 votes

idk, i mean her entire point is to peel. she doesn't do any damage which compensates for the shield strength. i mean the only thing that could make any type of sense without ruining the champion forever, might be reduce the shield duration just slightly.

The Yetii RiderDec 29, 20162 votes

The key issue with Janna's gameplay is that she gives her teammates constant mobility. It doesn't matter if you're 5 MS faster or 50, you will catch the enemy or escape because it's all relative.

Janna is fine. She's definitely powerful, but she lacks the tools to play aggressively in lane.

bad arcade kittyDec 29, 20164 votes

janna is fine

needs her old passive back though

420TemplarDec 29, 20161 votes

Oh god no. 3% global movement speed for your whole team for existing was absurdly broken.

Ben SwoIoDec 29, 20162 votes

I'm not a big fan of going against Janna either. I feel her shields are too strong. She is also too easy to use considering how well her peels / survivability is. Every Janna rarely dies and gets a crap load of assists. I have been wondering though, is it really her as a champ? Or is it the current meta with these damn keystones and new items?

DoseqisDec 29, 20163 votes

Like i said in my post if they nerfed her Ult to have a short cast time it would really just fix everything, on live janna can get caught and just tap ult for instant peel, same goes for teamfighting she can just ult the moment someone gets too close to a carry and the other champion can't do anything about it other than try to get back in through janna peel which by then they probably already lost the fight if this wasn't enough the ult also has a giant heal tacked onto it.

Giving it some sort of charging mechanic where the longer you charged the more knockback and heal would make janna players have to predict instead of having a get out of jail free card if they didn't peel properly. It would also give melee champions more of a chance rather than "oh i got a good flank on them for mispositioning! anndddd oh i'm back a million miles away"

ZephyrDrakeDec 29, 20165 votes

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Like i said in my post if they nerfed her Ult to have a short cast time it would really just fix everything, on live janna can get caught and just tap ult for instant peel, same goes for teamfighting she can just ult the moment someone gets too close to a carry and the other champion can't do anything about it other than try to get back in through janna peel which by then they probably already lost the fight if this wasn't enough the ult also has a giant heal tacked onto it.

Giving it some sort of charging mechanic where the longer you charged the more knockback and heal would make janna players have to predict instead of having a get out of jail free card if they didn't peel properly. It would also give melee champions more of a chance rather than "oh i got a good flank on them for mispositioning! anndddd oh i'm back a million miles away"

yeah that would be a good change... if you wanted Janna to never be picked again

OleandervineDec 29, 20161 votes

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I'm not a big fan of going against Janna either. I feel her shields are too strong. She is also too easy to use considering how well her peels / survivability is. Every Janna rarely dies and gets a crap load of assists. I have been wondering though, is it really her as a champ? Or is it the current meta with these damn keystones and new items?

Hint - she's wasn't EVER railed against on the boards before Windspeaker's and the changes to the Forbidden Idol and it's line of items.

rtbf221651412Dec 29, 20162 votes

Isn't she actually balanced for a support? At least with the heal/shield items? Maybe the other supports have issues.

Craft ZeppelinDec 29, 20161 votes

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Isn't she actually balanced for a support? Maybe the other supports have issues.

Against supports in botlane she is fine, but wait until the enemy melees have to fight her team.

rtbf221651412Dec 29, 20161 votes

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Against supports in botlane she is fine, but wait until the enemy melees have to fight her team.

LeeSin

DoseqisDec 29, 20161 votes

Q stops his dash in and ult just in case.

Dominick DestineDec 29, 20161 votes

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Q stops his dash in and ult just in case.

One of the few reasons I love Janna.

Makes Lee Sin cry.

DoseqisDec 29, 20162 votes

In laning phase she practically makes anyone who isn't blitzcrank or possibly thresh based on the player useless if she isn't a potato and beyond laning phase she can practically reset teamfights with huge AOE healing.

The AD on her shield also needs to be looked at, possibly % ad boosting or something else but the AD currently lets her ADC win most trades bot lane with little to no counterplay on the receiving end.

JorenciceDec 29, 20161 votes

A good karma destroys her. To much damage and ahes to fast to run away from.

Ulquiorra995Dec 29, 20161 votes

Or anyone poke-based, really. If she tries to shield every Sona Q, Zyra plant or Brand's combo she'll run OOM insanely fast. And her counterengage does not really mean that much.

DryditchDec 29, 20161 votes

Ali, Braum, and Leona would all like to have a word with you.

rtbf221651412Dec 29, 20161 votes

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In laning phase she practically makes anyone who isn't blitzcrank or possibly thresh based on the player useless if she isn't a potato and beyond laning phase she can practically reset teamfights with huge AOE healing.

The AD on her shield also needs to be looked at, possibly % ad boosting or something else but the AD currently lets her ADC win most trades bot lane with little to no counterplay on the receiving end.

Please tell me you didn't bring those two up. Hide behind minions?

TyrekGoldenspearDec 29, 20162 votes

Her "hidden power" is to counteract aggression and dives on her ADC.

What are the most popular junglers now? What are the common tactics in lane?

Troll for TrumpDec 29, 20161 votes

Her "hidden power" is to counteract aggression and dives on her ADC.

Then why is Tahm Support dead?

TyrekGoldenspearDec 29, 20161 votes

What do they have to do with each other?

Tahm is super tanky and can take his carry to the other side of the map.

Janna can't do that. You are comparing apples to oranges.

DryditchDec 29, 20161 votes

VulDread seems to be referring to Tahm's own ability to disengage a carry from a dive. The difference is that his ability to do that is dependent on not getting CC-ed or bursted down before he can reach safety.

Troll for TrumpDec 29, 20161 votes

In a meta with a ton of diving and engaging, the strongest supports will naturally be the disengagers, and not engagers.

Champs like Blitz, for instance, should be bad.

Champs like Janna, Tahm, Ali, Lulu, should be strong.

But only Janna, and maybe Lulu have 50%ish WRs.

But if you compare WRs, Janna's sitting much higher than the others, with Tahm and Ali in apparantly bad spots right now.

Janna also having the 2nd highest playrate among all supports should imply something as well.

Dominick DestineDec 29, 20161 votes

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Then why is Tahm Support dead?

He got benched.

Craft ZeppelinDec 29, 20161 votes

One thing I really dont get, is why girl supports dislike playing this champion with a passion and move to either sona, lux or nami. Like this is the strongest support you can get.

This is THE support. Which is the strongest.

SwordOfWarDec 29, 20161 votes

Taric and Zilean counter Janna.

Source: Champion GG.com

Supreme Senpai69Dec 29, 20161 votes

Gonna quote a post I made two days ago when the exact same thread was created.

"I'm gonna give a really unpopular opinion here. Janna is the single most nerfed champion in LoL history. You can nerf her a hundred more times, and she'll still be one of the most strong supports. It's her kit. No matter the numbers, her kit is the epitome of support. She has an instant cast knockback, keeping her ADC safe from any diver. Failing that, she has an ult to keep her ADC safe and even heal them. She has a shield to keep her ADC safe. She has a slow to let her ADC chase down kills.

Do you see the common factor in all this?

It's the ADC. Janna is the best support in the game at helping the ADC. She peels, shields, heals, and slows the enemy all for her ADC. She is so good, despite any kind of numbers change, because ADCs are so good. There's no point in nerfing Janna. I'm not saying to nerf ADCs, but... her winrate is because of the strength of the ADC as a class. Is that a problem? I don't know."

Sagan ForeverDec 29, 20161 votes

Well this is saying that part of her kit should be removed, not simply a nerf, so based on your argument this would fix her problem of offering too much. Plus the part of her kit that has been nerfed( shields and heals), has been buffed with new masteries and items for supports. I doubt people are including these indirect buffs when saying that she is the most nerfed.

CasterGilgameshDec 29, 20161 votes

so we going to make her a shield bot where every single spell is a shield of a knock back bot where every spell is just a knock back?

FakeGravityDec 29, 20161 votes

just make her shield give the person a proc effect like sona Q if you like, it will serve the same purpose

Spice POWAHDec 29, 20161 votes

Her shield kinda needs the AD boost though, otherwise she'll only use it defensively and be even less interactive.

Janna does have some counterplay and champions that make lane a pain for her, though. Generally Janna has trouble against anyone who can either harass both of them at once or is really good at separating her fron her ADC. Spell immunity also negates her peel besides her shield and ult heal, since she has no sustain after someone takes damage.

If you're not playing a champ like that, try to play passively and coordinate with your jungler to at least push them out of lane and farm as much as possible.

If she uses her w, she loses her speed buff from it for a while, so she's easier to catch. Also, Janna won't channel her ult heal if you don't let her since it's more valued for the CC.

If I had to nerf something, I would probably nerf the duration the shield is up for by .5 seconds and see if that helps, if it doesn't then reduce it by another .5 seconds.

Dominick DestineDec 29, 20161 votes

There are champions that require significantly less skill than Janna

Yasuo LeeSin

LiofaDec 29, 20161 votes

Meddler mains Janna. He's literally a silver that got carried to plat by other rioters playing supps like Janna so if you're ever wondering why Janna is the way she is or why he has the nerve to tell you why redemption/locket is totally fine and balanced just remember who's in charge of deving the game.

Proxy345Dec 29, 20161 votes

lol Janna has already been nerfed enough,I still remember when she used to give global movement speed to her whole team and had higher ratios.

PlanetWarwickDec 29, 20161 votes

Edge of night

RivetAceDec 29, 20161 votes

To be honest, I think her movement speed is why she's so strong. That combined with her abilities means she runs away better than a Singed.

Removing her movement speed might actually fix some stuff.

WinTheWarOnPantsDec 29, 20161 votes

"it just has the power to instantly shoot anyone away who even tries to engage onto you with no counterplay on the receiving end." complains about knockback ult meanwhile Alistar has single target version on 6 second CD(with cdr) that can also be combo into AOE knockup

HadesBladesDec 29, 20161 votes

You must think of it this way janna has always been meta when the adc's she works with are in meta. Once you get champions like twitch, vayne, and other fotm adcs that need sustain in lane then she works well with them for her peel and early game sustain. The new itemization adds to her ability to peel and be an effective safe pick throughout the game.

Janna is overall fine and can be stomped in lane if you play it right, right now though the FOTM just doesn't allow it. Her overall kit is fine and you should have seen what it was like pre -nerf lol its much more balanced and fun its just determining who needs her the most now.