No reason to pick MF when Jinx exists.

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Few things I wanted to clear up since I feel this conversation is starting to wrap up. Now if we're talking damage, late game, Jinx easily wins. Early game, Jinx isn't going to have crit. Also, W>AA>Q>AA is the actual combo. You're not going to need the ult unless you have multiple targets or they're getting away. Mid game get's more interesting. Now, I'm not going to into the math since this isn't school so I'm just going to speak from personal experience, and in my experience, MF easily beat Jinx here. A few patches ago, I would say it's even, with Jinx having the better late game, but that recent nerf hurt her early and mid game attack speed A LOT. She actually gains a lot less attack speed than most ADC's per level. Powpow is just there to compensate.

Miss Fortune also does the majority of her damage through her auto attacks. Double Up may not crit but its there for the sake of being a reset. She gets the same amount of AAs in the same amount of time with the combo and without the combo so it's not like she's sacrificing anything. Her regular AAs will still crit.

Miss Fortune is punished for falling behind but Jinx is too to a degree. Her early game and mid game (in my experience) are weaker and I've often had times where I never get to the point where I never reach relevancy because the enemy team takes advantage of a lead and ends the game before hypercarry Jinx happens. Snowballing is also easier on MF. I've had good games on Jinx but none of them trump the pubstompers I've had on MF. 3 early kills on my Jinx usually means 12 by the end of the game. 3 early kills on my MF means 17-20 by the end.

I do agree that Jinx is the stronger overall ADC, but MF does have her advantages. As a general pick, Jinx is fine, but if I get an agressive support like blitzcrank, leona, or a thresh who can land those hooks, I'll go MF everytime.

Nice talk. It's good to have a discussion with someone of different opinions on the board without it dissolving into "OMG you noob. You don't know how to play"

OMG YOU NOOB. GTFO YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE SAYING

JK. Yeah I said her combo was W>AA>Q>AA>E>R because I'm thinking of her most optimal fights. Assuming your a 2 v 2 bot lane, if you manage to get into a position where you can ult both of them, you would do that and not AA them.

My biggest problem with MF is that she is VERY situational. Her ult can destroy teams, if you find the right fight. Her Dueling potential is prob the greatest, if you find the right fight.

Jinx AoE is much more reliable. Jinx poke Too. Split push doesnt relies on a skill CD to be be used. Jinx CC is much stronger and can step up some INSANE CC locks, while MF CC is more of an annoyance than anything else.

And about the kills on mf and jinx. If you get feed with jinx, hypercarry jinx is a thing. Destroying teams, objectives and all of that, ofc you are going to get "only" 12 kills, that's because you actually closed the game.

It's just my personal opinion, but I find jinx to be much more reliable than MF, and that's something you want on Ranked. MF relies too much on cheese. For example I had a game against a Vayne the other day, where she ALWAYS Q out to a side when I casted my Q on a minion. I think I manage to hit 2 Q on her all lane. With Jinx, all I needed to do was to Q>AA>Q. Maybe it wont poke her as hard, but do that a couple of times and boom you out bullied MF, and the best part is that you dont need a certain angle or a certain minion, nope all you need is mana and positioning.

I love MF tho, she is incredibly fun to play.