Vayne Change Goals Silver Bolts is about expected time to kill on all targets (not squishy bursting), and Vayne's path to success needs to come through Silver Bolts. Base Stats AD/lvl reduced 2.66 >>> 1.66 W - Silver Bolts Flat Damage removed Percent Health Damage increased 4/5/6/7/8% >>> 6/7.5/9/10.5/12%
Sinister Anubis2 votesSource?
Azteryz1 voteshttp://www.surrenderat20.net/2015/10/1029-pbe-update.html
near the end of it
Meep Man2 votesThey added a minimum damage though of 40/60/80/100/120.
Azteryz1 votesthats still a nerf against squishy targets which is what the whole problem of her having flat extra damage on i was for
LegendaryLemur1 votesThis seems consistent with Riot's lofty goal of creating a personal niche for each marksman, Vayne presumably being the anti-tank anti-juggernaut marksman.
EDIT: as Solomon Money points out, Vayne is effective against immobile durable champions (juggernauts) not often-mobile cc-heavy (also durable) tanks.
Big Lincoln1 votesstill better vs squishies
LegendaryLemur1 votesmm depends what you mean. Obviously anybody kills a squishy faster than they kill a tank, but the changes overall make her more effective versus high health targets and less effective vs. low health.
17 less ad at level 18 means 51 less damage over the three attacks needed to proc bolts even if none of them crit (a little less due to armor reduction but its a squishy so just base armor) 60 flat damage at rank 5 w removed.
So thats at least 100 damage less. 4% more max health damage. A squishy at level 18 has ~2000 health so that's 80 damage.
Unless i'm missing something?
Big Lincoln1 votesher bolts have a minimum damage of 120 when proc'd
tbh i never considered her the tank-shredder, since she was nowhere to be seen during tank meta and is powerful right now because it's immobile, low-CC bruisers who are taking the spotlight.
CrazedPorcupine1 votesand that 40 true damage makes up for the 50 less physical damage she deals over the 3 attacks.
Big Lincoln1 votesokay, and that doesn't the change point she isn't and wasn't meant to be a tank shredder
CrazedPorcupine1 voteswhy wasn't she meant to be a tank shredder? She still has 4% AS/lvl gain, and she's always had %Max HP true damage since her release.
Big Lincoln1 votesbecause she puts herself in easy stunlocking range most of the time
she can 1v1 a tank, anyone can late game, but in a teamfight she's not going to handle naut/sej ulting her or malphite/rammus shenanigans
idk where she was ever considered a tank shredder, kog'maw is much better at it and he actually thrived when they were dominant
CrazedPorcupine1 votesVayne had that weakness in favor of being able to outduel most every ADC in a 1 on 1 situation.
Big Lincoln1 votesthat's what i'm saying, she's not an anti-tank, she's a duelist
CrazedPorcupine1 votesshe's both.
Azteryz1 votesshe has true damage which goes through armor and mr and it scales off of health how is that not being a tank shredder? and her being in stunlocking range is a horrible excuse because she has a 2 second tumble which can be further enhanced to give her stealth
LegendaryLemur1 votesDon't see what difference the minimum damage makes.
12% of 2000 is 240. My arithmetic remains intact.
Old damage: 8% of 2000 = 160 + flat damage of 60 = 220 New damage: 12% of 2000 = 240
That's 20 more true damage, but 50 (even more with crits, but slightly reduced due to armor) less physical damage from the 3 hits needed to proc.
EDIT: regarding your point about vayne not really being anti-tank i editted my above post to correct it to anti-juggernaut