Can we put some reasonable bases on brand.

The thigh guy·Jun 18, 2019·2 votes·899 views

Seriously. This champion does way to much fucking damage with no ap build. :/

11 Comments

HotarµJun 18, 20191 votes

The tradeoff is that he's immobile, squishy, and has no reliable CC. He is literally all damage and nothing else.

Edit: Gotta love the Gameplay boards, downvoted because grrr Brand bad meanwhile if you look at the information presented to you, you'll see that he actually isn't that bad.

The thigh guyJun 18, 20193 votes

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The tradeoff is that he's immobile, squishy, and has no reliable CC. He is literally all damage and nothing else.

So is syndra. She doesn’t have sky high bases.

So is karma. She doesn’t have sky high bases

So is lux. She doesn’t have sky high bases.

HotarµJun 18, 20191 votes

So is syndra. She doesn’t have sky high bases.

Slow. AOE knockback.

So is karma. She doesn’t have sky high bases

MS boosting shield, root, slow.

Also,** yes,** Karma's base damage on her Q is very similar to Brand's base damage on his W. (both their most common damaging abilities)

Karma - 80 / 125 / 170 / 215 / 260 (+ 60% AP) Brand - 75 / 120 / 165 / 210 / 255 (+ 60% AP)

Here's the Q/W comparison aswell.

Karma W1 - 30 / 55 / 80 / 105 / 130 (+ 45% AP) Karma W2 - 60 / 110 / 160 / 210 / 260 (+ 90% AP) Karma W TOTAL - 90/165/240/315/390 (+ 135% AP) Brand Q - 80 / 110 / 140 / 170 / 200 (+ 55% AP)

Being generous because I haven't even mentioned Karma's empowered Q bonus.

Obviously yes, Brand has more damage in his entire rotation but that goes back to what I said about him not having certain CC or utility abilities whereas Karma does have those tools.

So is lux. She doesn’t have sky high bases.

1-2 person 2 second root, AOE slow, vision from basic abilities.

The thigh guyJun 18, 20191 votes

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Slow. AOE knockback.

MS boosting shield, root, slow.

Also,** yes,** Karma's base damage on her Q is very similar to Brand's base damage on his W. (both their most common damaging abilities)

Karma - 80 / 125 / 170 / 215 / 260 (+ 60% AP) Brand - 75 / 120 / 165 / 210 / 255 (+ 60% AP)

Here's the Q/W comparison aswell.

Karma W1 - 30 / 55 / 80 / 105 / 130 (+ 45% AP) Karma W2 - 60 / 110 / 160 / 210 / 260 (+ 90% AP) Karma W TOTAL - 90/165/240/315/390 (+ 135% AP) Brand Q - 80 / 110 / 140 / 170 / 200 (+ 55% AP)

Being generous because I haven't even mentioned Karma's empowered Q bonus.

Obviously yes, Brand has more damage in his entire rotation but that goes back to what I said about him not having certain CC or utility abilities whereas Karma does have those tools.

1-2 person 2 second root, AOE slow, vision from basic abilities.

He does have utility and cc. :/

Not to mention 4/5 pieces Of damage in his kit are Aoe and without boots his w is not dodgeable.

Also nice job ignoring the damage amp On his w and the burn damage on his everything, not to mention his passive.

HotarµJun 18, 20191 votes

He does have utility and cc. :/

Oh yeah, one single target skillshot stun that requires him to land another ability beforehand.

So much utility and CC, you're right, Brand is broken.

The thigh guyJun 18, 20191 votes

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Oh yeah, one single target skillshot stun that requires him to land another ability beforehand.

So much utility and CC, you're right, Brand is broken.

/s

Okay. So by your logic Morgana doesn’t have a stun or a root because she has to land her abilities to have them.

Your thought process is so flawed it’s not even funny. :/ “he has to use his abilities to have them so we can’t count them as part of his kit!”

HotarµJun 18, 20191 votes

Okay. So by your logic Morgana doesn’t have a stun or a root because she has to land her abilities to have them.

Your thought process is so flawed it’s not even funny. :/ “he has to use his abilities to have them so we can’t count them as part of his kit!”

What are you even saying?

Going to respond to your edit first because you added more to the last comment instead of posting it all in one shot:

Not to mention 4/5 pieces Of damage in his kit are Aoe and without boots his w is not dodgeable.

Yes, it is dodgeable. I do it on Pyke and Jhin all the time. If you're having that much of a problem, buy boots early (which you should be doing anyway) and punish him or have your support punish him. You're complaining about everything instead of playing around it.

Also nice job ignoring the damage amp On his w and the burn damage on his everything, not to mention his passive.

"Obviously yes, Brand has more damage in his entire rotation but that goes back to what I said about him not having certain CC or utility abilities whereas Karma does have those tools."

Reading is fun, you should try it some time.

Okay. So by your logic Morgana doesn’t have a stun or a root because she has to land her abilities to have them.

Again, reading is really fun.

"Oh yeah, one single target skillshot stun that requires him to land another ability beforehand." #"requires him to land another ability beforehand"

Are you behind minions or your tank? Congratulations! Brand cannot CC you at all. Now, this is the part where you complain about his totally broken ult or something like that because you want to keep changing the topic to fit your agenda.

On the topic of CC: Brand has one avoidable, blockable, telegraphed CC skillshot that he can only land IF he hits you with another ability first. But yeah, soooooo much CC and utility.

You're wrong.

Next.

Your thought process is so flawed it’s not even funny. :/ “he has to use his abilities to have them so we can’t count them as part of his kit!”

My thought process is flawed yet you're the one who comes here almost every day to complain about champions that you don't know how to play against. Then, when people point out how factually incorrect you are, you try to pick at them and change the topic because you can't accept the harsh reality that you don't know what you're talking about.

The thigh guyJun 18, 20192 votes

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What are you even saying?

Going to respond to your edit first because you added more to the last comment instead of posting it all in one shot:

Yes, it is dodgeable. I do it on Pyke and Jhin all the time. If you're having that much of a problem, buy boots early (which you should be doing anyway) and punish him or have your support punish him. You're complaining about everything instead of playing around it.

"Obviously yes, Brand has more damage in his entire rotation but that goes back to what I said about him not having certain CC or utility abilities whereas Karma does have those tools."

Reading is fun, you should try it some time.

Again, reading is really fun.

"Oh yeah, one single target skillshot stun that requires him to land another ability beforehand." #"requires him to land another ability beforehand"

Are you behind minions or your tank? Congratulations! Brand cannot CC you at all. Now, this is the part where you complain about his totally broken ult or something like that because you want to keep changing the topic to fit your agenda.

On the topic of CC: Brand has one avoidable, blockable, telegraphed CC skillshot that he can only land IF he hits you with another ability first. But yeah, soooooo much CC and utility.

You're wrong.

Next.

My thought process is flawed yet you're the one who comes here almost every day to complain about champions that you don't know how to play against. Then, when people point out how factually incorrect you are, you try to pick at them and change the topic because you can't accept the harsh reality that you don't know what you're talking about.

Seeing as you have no actual input here I’m just going to ignore you.

You say brand doesn’t have a stun because he has to use it which means arguing with you will forever be a fruitless effort.

CrazyMonkeyCZJun 18, 20191 votes

Why no one playes him if he is so broken? Literally every enchanter is better. What’s your point?

The thigh guyJun 18, 20191 votes

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Why no one playes him if he is so broken? Literally every enchanter is better. What’s your point?

Never said he was broken. Said he does too much damage with no items.

And enchanters are fine. They don’t do nearly as much damage as him.

Pandemic PunchJun 18, 20191 votes

Brand is the 8th worst Support right now out of the top 26 Supports.

Also, many of the Enchanters deal more reliable damage than Brand in the early levels while also being able to provide shields. Brand's scaling takes too long to be relevant unless the enemy plays League while blind folded. Even when his damage becomes relevant, he will still struggle vs an enchanter at all stages of the game.