if gunblade is a hybrid item, why doesn't the active scale with bonus AD?
really makes you think
really makes you think
Its not a hybrid item its an akali item ; ^)
cough Morde cough
Cough Kata cough
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cough Morde cough
What happened. I sensed a disturbance. Huh nvm
My mordesense must be on the fritz
Imagine if I had a real gunblade!
Why are you referencing a Jax quote on a Morde comment
Is there something I'm missing
I feel like I'm missing something
bcause jax also uses gunblade
imagine if he did have a real gun blade being hybrid and scaled off of both ad and ap
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cough Morde cough
Akali is still the best user of Gunblade though.
There's probably an issue here that has to do with Ezreal
Because then 
i was actually thinking about new
when i made this post
and
:^)
Oh god I've always wanted to build Gunblade on Dar for the Omnivamp + Ult healing
I don't care about the wasted AP if Gunblade were more AD-friendly I'd try it
I want to dunk people and when I dunk them I want an instant 150 health back it would feel SO GOOD
...You have 
Sure, you miss out on the 150 health from a dunk, but you have +35 AD for more health back from everything else plus CDR to spam more spells.
is my bae
Whenever I'm ahead and almost full build I'll start building Death's Dance and then I'll take Elixir of Wrath just for kicks.
But that's besides the point.
150 health from ulting would feel SO GOOD
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Because then
Shyv barely even builds any bonus AD tho. Like, 100 bonus AD in total, with Botrk (Triforce Titanic Bork).

because ezreal.
The Hybrid champions that tend to build Gunblade dont build bonus AD. Unless youre going to flat-out buff the item with bonus AD scaling in addition to its current base+scaling, theres only one champion that would want the switch (Jax). Most would rather not give up the current AP scaling or nerf the current AP scaling in favor of AD scaling.
The Hybrid champions that build more AD-heavy generally dont want Gunblade. They generally just build AD, which has plenty of better options for sustain that synergize better with their kits.
If they are not really building AD (as in case 1) or not really building AP (as in case 2), how the hell are they hybrid?
It means they have decent scalings on a few abilities and benefit from the extra AD, but prioritise AP damage.
Just because youre a hybrid champion doesnt mean you purchase half AP or half AD items, or damage items at all. Hybrid refers to the % of types of damage you do. There are 3 categories of "hybrid champions"
Category 2 gets split into 2 types of champions: on-hit and hybrid scalings. Teemo, Kayle and TF are on-hit hybrids. They are not the primary users of gunblade, but can use it. Their "hybrid" nature is that they have to autoattack for their damage. They simply cannot do their magic damage without doing physical damage, even if the physical damage doesnt hit hard.
The others are hybrid scalings. Akali and Kat fall into this. The problem is that building half AP and half AD means you lose the multiplicative scalings and/or penetration of just choosing one stat over the other. Since both Akali and Kayle do primarily magic damage through their abilities, its overall better for them to build full AP to make use of things like Abyssal and Void Staff. Gunblade is used for the earlygame - before people get armor or MR its a strong item, plus it gives a little bit of extra burst and a little bit of sustain.
I put Jax in his own category of "gunblade users", but he really is the anomoly. Not only does he have on-hit scaling, he also has hybrid scaling, plus his damage is truly mixed (like a hybrid tank).
Category 3 are champions that do hybrid damage by their kits. Corki is the showcase - he has AD scalings on magic damage abilities. A full AD Corki will do around 75% magic damage at the very least. Kogmaw is another example, and to a lesser extent Ezreal. Due to the way they scale, building more AD/AS means they do more magic damage. But of course, they also have straight up AP scalings as well. They can use gunblade to its full extent but dont - generally because a AD lifesteal equivalent is better overall for their damage.
TL;DR You dont need to build AD, AP, or either to be considered a hybrid damage champion.
Yes please
because Katarina is stupid enough with ehr vamp-scepter start already.
Let's not have Kat double dip on its stats even more.
just remove her ad ratios
No. Never take away our secondary ratios.
remove all ratios
If gunblade is a hextech item, why doesnt the base damage scale with level?
It will. 1/13 PBE update has it scale from 175 - 250 base damage based on level.
Gunblade is only really built on a few select champions that only build one main damage type and then really little of the other. Akali demonstrates this pretty well. But then you have champions like corki who build both in decent moderation and by making it scale with both would just be a huge indirect buff to them (which i don't mind as a corki player tbh)
I could go for that. I'd say it leans towards ap since ad has death's dance, but making it fully hybrid would be nice. But imagine what Jhin would be able to do with it then.......
But imagine what Jhin would be able to do with it then.......
Art.
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I don't want to be that guy, but if you read the freshest PBE updates you will not be happy.
i agree
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like maybe a 30% bonus AD ratio or something
just so i can build it on new
for big sustains :^)
Because if it scaled off extra AD, its active would do more damage than it does now (around 300 with its own AP scalings).
then nerf the base damage
But that's a nerf to champions who use the item who don't build AD
but the item already has AD on itself
I don't mean to say "we shouldn't try to solve it because it might have an effect on something." If there's a solution then yea it should be implemented. It's just, lowering the base damage would probably hurt the people meant to use it while adding an AD scaling would probably cause other champions to build it which could change their winrates. There's not really a need to change an item like that unless they want something specific out of it, because it introduces a lot of variables that could be issues.
Lots of "coulds" and "maybes" but honestly there's no great need to change it to have an AD scaling on its active I think so why take the risk?
but muh diversity :^(
My guess is so AD champs with small AP ratios can't use it.
Do you want Vayne healing from enemies % max hp true damage? cause that's how you make Vayne heals from the enemies % max hp.
Gunblade is a very niche item for hybrid champions and they mostly build ap (akali, kat) a mix like corki or they are exception like jax
Why the hell would I want auto-attackers to pick up this Item? That sounds gross, I don't even care if they have to sacrifice some sort of attack speed or whatever. No thanks.