if gunblade is a hybrid item, why doesn't the active scale with bonus AD?

Big Lincoln··42 votes·2,110 views

really makes you think

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Corvo Attano18 votes

Its not a hybrid item its an akali item ; ^)

trash sion5 votes

cough Morde cough

Dracocrash9 votes

Cough Kata cough

Mordepool1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Azuk the Jungler,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EeuEE1hu,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-01-13T22:04:18.492+0000)

cough Morde cough

What happened. I sensed a disturbance. Huh nvm

My mordesense must be on the fritz

Spice POWAH9 votes

Imagine if I had a real gunblade!

SzGamer2271 votes

Why are you referencing a Jax quote on a Morde comment

Is there something I'm missing

I feel like I'm missing something

Spice POWAH6 votes

bcause jax also uses gunblade

LordGeovanni1 votes

imagine if he did have a real gun blade being hybrid and scaled off of both ad and ap

Kaisa is Hot1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Azuk the Jungler,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EeuEE1hu,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-01-13T22:04:18.492+0000)

cough Morde cough

Akali is still the best user of Gunblade though.

420 grams1 votes

{quoted}

Its not a hybrid item its an akali item ; ^)

It's pretty good on jax too

Meep Man9 votes

There's probably an issue here that has to do with Ezreal

Mira Arya Enthe4 votes

Because then Shyvana

Big Lincoln6 votes

i was actually thinking about new Warwick when i made this post

and Darius :^)

SzGamer2272 votes

Oh god I've always wanted to build Gunblade on Dar for the Omnivamp + Ult healing

I don't care about the wasted AP if Gunblade were more AD-friendly I'd try it

I want to dunk people and when I dunk them I want an instant 150 health back it would feel SO GOOD

ChaoticPinecone2 votes

...You have item 3812

Sure, you miss out on the 150 health from a dunk, but you have +35 AD for more health back from everything else plus CDR to spam more spells.

SzGamer2271 votes

item 3812 is my bae

Whenever I'm ahead and almost full build I'll start building Death's Dance and then I'll take Elixir of Wrath just for kicks.

But that's besides the point.

150 health from ulting would feel SO GOOD

Asayake 5150glow4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mira Arya Enthe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EeuEE1hu,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-01-13T22:11:22.353+0000)

Because then Shyvana

Shyv barely even builds any bonus AD tho. Like, 100 bonus AD in total, with Botrk (Triforce Titanic Bork).

Malicious Metal5 votes

Mordekaiser

The Deckowner3 votes

because ezreal.

ChaoticPinecone3 votes
  1. The Hybrid champions that tend to build Gunblade dont build bonus AD. Unless youre going to flat-out buff the item with bonus AD scaling in addition to its current base+scaling, theres only one champion that would want the switch (Jax). Most would rather not give up the current AP scaling or nerf the current AP scaling in favor of AD scaling.

  2. The Hybrid champions that build more AD-heavy generally dont want Gunblade. They generally just build AD, which has plenty of better options for sustain that synergize better with their kits.

TequilaZombie2 votes

If they are not really building AD (as in case 1) or not really building AP (as in case 2), how the hell are they hybrid?

Zen Ineth2 votes

It means they have decent scalings on a few abilities and benefit from the extra AD, but prioritise AP damage.

ChaoticPinecone2 votes

Just because youre a hybrid champion doesnt mean you purchase half AP or half AD items, or damage items at all. Hybrid refers to the % of types of damage you do. There are 3 categories of "hybrid champions"

  1. Tanks/bruisers who have mixed base damages - Shyvana, Mundo, and Sion fall into this category. I didnt mention them before because this is a gunblade-exclusive discussion.
  2. Champions that can buy both AD and AP
  3. Champions that do mixed damage in their kits/scaling.

Category 2 gets split into 2 types of champions: on-hit and hybrid scalings. Teemo, Kayle and TF are on-hit hybrids. They are not the primary users of gunblade, but can use it. Their "hybrid" nature is that they have to autoattack for their damage. They simply cannot do their magic damage without doing physical damage, even if the physical damage doesnt hit hard.

The others are hybrid scalings. Akali and Kat fall into this. The problem is that building half AP and half AD means you lose the multiplicative scalings and/or penetration of just choosing one stat over the other. Since both Akali and Kayle do primarily magic damage through their abilities, its overall better for them to build full AP to make use of things like Abyssal and Void Staff. Gunblade is used for the earlygame - before people get armor or MR its a strong item, plus it gives a little bit of extra burst and a little bit of sustain.

I put Jax in his own category of "gunblade users", but he really is the anomoly. Not only does he have on-hit scaling, he also has hybrid scaling, plus his damage is truly mixed (like a hybrid tank).

Category 3 are champions that do hybrid damage by their kits. Corki is the showcase - he has AD scalings on magic damage abilities. A full AD Corki will do around 75% magic damage at the very least. Kogmaw is another example, and to a lesser extent Ezreal. Due to the way they scale, building more AD/AS means they do more magic damage. But of course, they also have straight up AP scalings as well. They can use gunblade to its full extent but dont - generally because a AD lifesteal equivalent is better overall for their damage.


TL;DR You dont need to build AD, AP, or either to be considered a hybrid damage champion.

Duke Anax2 votes

Aatrox Yes please

Chaos6892 votes

because Katarina is stupid enough with ehr vamp-scepter start already.

NineTailedMystic2 votes

Let's not have Kat double dip on its stats even more.

Big Lincoln2 votes

just remove her ad ratios

Photos of Ghosts3 votes

No. Never take away our secondary ratios.

Big Lincoln2 votes

remove all ratios

GrReaper961 votes

If gunblade is a hextech item, why doesnt the base damage scale with level?

Glory ln Death1 votes

It will. 1/13 PBE update has it scale from 175 - 250 base damage based on level.

Unlucky471 votes

Gunblade is only really built on a few select champions that only build one main damage type and then really little of the other. Akali demonstrates this pretty well. But then you have champions like corki who build both in decent moderation and by making it scale with both would just be a huge indirect buff to them (which i don't mind as a corki player tbh)

6Sfool1 votes

I could go for that. I'd say it leans towards ap since ad has death's dance, but making it fully hybrid would be nice. But imagine what Jhin would be able to do with it then.......

WacingTheFind3 votes

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But imagine what Jhin would be able to do with it then.......

Art.

Twitch Chat1 votes

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Pentium21 votes

I don't want to be that guy, but if you read the freshest PBE updates you will not be happy.

Big Lincoln1 votes

i agree

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Photos of Ghosts2 votes

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Big Lincoln1 votes

like maybe a 30% bonus AD ratio or something

just so i can build it on new Warwick for big sustains :^)

doiminat0r36001 votes

Because if it scaled off extra AD, its active would do more damage than it does now (around 300 with its own AP scalings).

Big Lincoln1 votes

then nerf the base damage

Supreme Senpai691 votes

But that's a nerf to champions who use the item who don't build AD

Big Lincoln3 votes

but the item already has AD on itself

Supreme Senpai691 votes

I don't mean to say "we shouldn't try to solve it because it might have an effect on something." If there's a solution then yea it should be implemented. It's just, lowering the base damage would probably hurt the people meant to use it while adding an AD scaling would probably cause other champions to build it which could change their winrates. There's not really a need to change an item like that unless they want something specific out of it, because it introduces a lot of variables that could be issues.

Lots of "coulds" and "maybes" but honestly there's no great need to change it to have an AD scaling on its active I think so why take the risk?

Big Lincoln1 votes

but muh diversity :^(

General Esdeath 1 votes

My guess is so AD champs with small AP ratios can't use it.

WiegrafOfValor1 votes

Do you want Vayne healing from enemies % max hp true damage? cause that's how you make Vayne heals from the enemies % max hp.

Mirkhail1 votes

Gunblade is a very niche item for hybrid champions and they mostly build ap (akali, kat) a mix like corki or they are exception like jax

1000angrybees1 votes

Why the hell would I want auto-attackers to pick up this Item? That sounds gross, I don't even care if they have to sacrifice some sort of attack speed or whatever. No thanks.

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