Camille set a new bar for the diver class

Rozair··3 votes·1,367 views

When Camille came out I was excited to try her out, I also thought she was going to be entirely broken due to the fact that her kit has everything you could imagine in it. I was somewhat surprised to find her pretty well balanced... a few minor tweaks and I don't think she is that overpowering.

Anyways I am a Diana main and I have some concerns about the diver rework. First off Diana is the only AP diver and there are a very limited few items which are ACTUALLY useful for her.

I look at other divers and I see armor pen and true damage which is a huge deal for divers because their primary goal is to cause a lot of damage and a big disruption in a teamfight. Diana does not have either. Also Diana does not have a defensive steroid like other divers.. ex. Xin ult armor mr boost, Camille passive ect. Diana does however have a shield which kind of covers this area but every other diver can heal somehow and Diana cant. On another note every other diver can "dive" before they are level 6. Diana's ult does not even really feel like an ultimate because it is essential for her to get close to an enemy so that her shield will hit them... its really a bad set up. On top of the fact that Diana's auto attacks dont do consistent damage she has a really bad kit as far as a diver would go.

17 Comments

10xDoublelift2 votes

seems more like a post about how diana is shit than how camille diving is op

Irelia Bot2 votes

Actually it is more about hoping that the dive fighter rework makes the class more diverse and still effective.

Rozair1 votes

Exactly. Camille is the latest diver and the newest one in a long time. To me she looks like a perfect example of what a diver should do. I would expect the other divers to have similar traits.

Dominick Destine2 votes

Diana has far better raw scaling than Camille.

Not to mention burst...

Rozair1 votes

That's the problem. Diana is a burst mage and not a diver.

Big Lincoln2 votes

if Camille is the bar for divers then I guess I can expect the reworks to suck

Rozair1 votes

Look at how much camille has in her kit. I'm not saying she's op but she does what a diver is meant to do. Xin does what a diver is supposed to do. Fiora does what a diver is supposed to do. Ect. Diana does not do what she is supposed to do. Whether anyone likes to agree or not Diana is a burst mage assassin.

DDasani1 votes

I couldn't agree more, I've played a lot of Diana in the past and she really doesn't feel "strong" to me. Now S Diana 2 (main Diana) Will disagree with us. The problem I have with Diana is that she doesn't do any real damage until 6th item. And even then you're focused out and then you're called weak or "go afk" all the time. I hope that Riot Does good by Diana because I like her a lot.

Rozair1 votes

The biggest problem I have with Diana is the scaling on Her abilities. I would argue that the scaling are too high for a diver. High scaling like that force players to play bursty. If her values were reduced they could add to cool abilities to her kit. I wouldn't want Diana to be overpowered but I would like her to more rewarding and complex. She is so easy to play right now that she's almost not fun to play. She uses the same combo everytime and you know if you get hit with her q she is going in on you. Not fun to play as or against.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

I was somewhat surprised to find her pretty well balanced...

lel

First off is the only AP diver

Elise Evelynn

I look at other divers and I see armor pen and true damage which is a huge deal for divers because their primary goal is to cause a lot of damage and a big disruption in a teamfight.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/gameplay/dev-blog-classes-subclasses

Also Diana does not have a defensive steroid like other divers.. ex. Xin ult armor mr boost, Camille passive ect. Diana does however have a shield which kind of covers this area but every other diver can heal somehow and Diana cant.

MonkeyKing

But yeah Camille has so much... other divers really need more

Rozair1 votes

Evelynn is an assassin not a diver. I guess elise could be considered a diver nut elise has % health damage so she is more viable of a pick than Diana. Also wukong has bonus mr/armor for a passive.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

Wukong passive is useless and irevelent

Divers Vi Xin Zhao Nocturne Pantheon Jarvan Wukong Warwick Renekton Elise Hecarim Lee Sin Irelia Aatrox Evelynn Diana

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/3A5uuBw7-champion-subclass-list

Rozair1 votes

how the hell is Evelynn a diver she has no dives. If riot doesnt consided the only truly stealthed champion in the game an assassin something is seriously wrong.

VoidStaresBack2 votes

Because "one-shot from permastealth" is a very, very unhealthy way for a champion to function and is the reason Evelynn hasn't been great as a proper assassin for a long time. Rebalancing her to be a unique diver who uses stealth and a speed-boost to get close to her target instead of a gap-closing skill makes her a healthier champion.

Rozair1 votes

ok then add evelynn to the list of champions that need a defensive bonus. Her damage is crap and shes squishy as hell. shes terrible right now.

VoidStaresBack1 votes

She's high on the list for a VGU, so she's gonna be updated (relatively) soon, and her current kit does have a defensive bonus (the shield on her ultimate), the issue is more that her kit is all over the place right now.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

Its just what u point like specialisation of Divers is wrong and its just what they want with final version of champions. They have already point what's a diver http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/gameplay/dev-blog-classes-subclasses

Divers are the more mobile portion of the Fighter class. Divers excel at singling out high-priority targets to blitz toward, immediately forcing those targets (and their teammates) to deal with the diver’s presence. Divers are not as durable as the tanks or juggernauts of the world, but Divers can take their fair share of punishment while bringing enough damage to be a real kill threat if left unchecked.

This not mean all are or will become full divers, some are or will become divers hydrid x (Aatrox and Camille are close of Skirmisher, Wukong close of assassins...).

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