If I'm playing to improve and not playing to gain LP, should I be able to learn any champ I want?

LegacyDAP··2 votes·1,017 views

Apparently my Diamond coach had a problem with me playing Leblanc mid, and told me to play easier champions because I sucked (even though he has never watched me play a game at all). If I'm playing to improve is there something wrong with me playing Leblanc and not easy champions to gain LP?

P.S. He called me ignorant for saying this.

16 Comments

WukongMain1 votes

Why do you have a Diamond coach?

LegacyDAP1 votes

Because I wanted to improve. And I posted on team recruitment that I wanted coaching, because I couldn't see what I was doing wrong. He never actually told me what I was doing wrong, he just told me what to do. He has never seen me play, because he said he doesn't need to.

Zarkkast6 votes

Then he's not a coach, just a douchebag.

WukongMain3 votes

i'm silver, and could probably coach better than this "Diamond Coach" Lmfao.

LegacyDAP1 votes

I really don't want this to be a hate thread. He's an alright guy, he usually can't get his words out the way he wants, but he means well. I just don't like the way he coaches, and it hasn't improved me.

WukongMain2 votes

This coach... Doesn't know how to coach.

LegacyDAP1 votes

I mean, it's whatever. But he hasn't actually helped me at all in learning what I'm doing wrong. He just assumes what I'm doing wrong, and I actually don't know. I feel like he's making me a worse player. Anyways, that's not what this post is about, it's about the title, I just want to know if this is okay?

WukongMain1 votes

Do you enjoy playing Leblanc?

Arrowe1 votes

If you're playing to improve you don't need a coach.

LegacyDAP1 votes

Why not? Of course I want to get to Diamond in the process of improving, but I don't want to have to play Annie and Twisted Fate probably my least favorite champions to get there. Why can't I just learn to play Leblanc and get there at the same time?

MrBuffington1 votes

TF is not an easy champion. Pulling Gold cards under pressure and doing splits with your Q are very difficult, not to mention ulting at the right time and place, in addition to all the other nuances like the Misaya/reverse-Misaya. The difference (and this is true with LeBlanc as well) is between being able to play a champion at a minimally competent level, and actually mastering a champion.

The danger of just starting off learning LeBlanc is either that you won't have the basic fundamentals of the game to be able to actually utilize what LeBlanc offers, or you'll find these really basic, cheesy strategies to succeed where you might win, not because you're getting better, but just because your opponents are bad. Once you meet a better opponent, you'll hit a wall, since you have nothing to back up those cheese strategies.

If you don't like Annie, there are plenty of other easier champions: Kayle Malzahar Morgana Talon Vladimir Velkoz Ziggs Lux Lissandra Lulu Orianna Veigar are a few that are easier to pick up, but get stronger the better you get.

MrBuffington1 votes

Playing an easier champ lets you focus on your fundamentals without worrying about more complex mechanics. If you have complete control over a champion, you start to learn more about the game itself, not just finding niche ways to succeed by cheesing your opponent, etc.

It's like building a house; you need a solid foundation before you can start building the rest of it.

weeaboomer1 votes

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Playing an easier champ lets you focus on your fundamentals without worrying about more complex mechanics. If you have complete control over a champion, you start to learn more about the game itself, not just finding niche ways to succeed by cheesing your opponent, etc.

It's like building a house; you need a solid foundation before you can start building the rest of it.

I think what he said is a good point. ^

If you don't like your coach, then drop him. You want to play leblanc, start doing so and you'll improve on your own.

And how is playing to improve a bad thing? Would you prefer to play a recently released champion that automatically wins the game for you to get lp? When it gets nerf/banned etc, what would you do then?

MrBuffington1 votes

I agree that you should drop your coach if you don't like them, but I disagree that LeBlanc is a good champion with whom to improve at the game. You can learn the fundamentals of the game playing LeBlanc, but it's very easy to develop bad habits that are difficult to break later on. Starting with easier champions means you progress more smoothly, since you have less to focus on at any given time. You should be fighting your opponent, not your own champion

Definitely Bait1 votes

Some coaches are just bad at coaching in general. Actual gameplay advice should be taken with a grain of salt. Though I do agree most good coaches will recommend easier champions like Annie, Mal'zahar, Vlad, etc. They let you focus more on actual gameplay / strategic choices rather than getting stuck in various niche mechanics that only specific champions like Leblanc, Zed, Riven, Lee Sin will have to worry about.

Annie is very good for learning just general placement, warding, and keeping track of your cooldowns / abilities. The honest truth is most annie players don't even keep E up near permanently even though it's duration is only like a second shorter than the cooldown at 40% cdr. She's got a very simplistic system of use 4 spells and then stun into ult so you don't really have to keep track of much. She also has easy csing via Q giving it's mana back on minion kills. Annie is a very good character to free up focus to work on more map awareness / where to be rather than forcing you to do ridiculous outplays.

Tf is similar to annie with the only difference being he is near 100% focused on map awareness / roaming and has more complexity when it comes to using cards at the right time (When to red card, blue card, or when yellow card is best).

They both fufill similar purposes and do offer a lot of room to learn. The problem is if your only goal is learning to be better it will be tedious and it will be boring. If the coach isn't pointing out basic mistakes, when you have the wrong focus in situations, and not putting a emphasis on awareness / thinking decisions through in the match and why what you did was wrong they are probably bad. Everything from Bronze -> Plat is all about basic gameplay mistakes and correcting them. The real in depth niche / mindgame crap doesn't really matter until Diamond / Master.

Your leblanc is perfectly fine in terms of win / loss and consistent kda. You do however have a major issue csing on leblanc. If you wish to reach plat / diamond a good goal is 6 - 8 cs per minute every game win or loss.

Also if your emphasis is truly on learning you should choose a set pool of champions that introduce you to differing play styles without being overly complicated kit wise. Anything overly complicated risks developing bad habits or gaining knowledge that is worthless if you play another champion. This set pool of champions should be spammed. Just play one in the same role until you lose or have 6 or 7 wins in a row on them and then move to the next one. Oh and don't take them into ranked until your consistently winning with them in normals.

League at low elo is all knowledge and very little mechanical. The sad fact is Bronze, Silver, Gold, and even low plat are all actually low elo. There are legitimate bronze players that have the mechanics to outplay like faker (even scripters) and still manage to lose games due to not making sound decisions (Kill focus over objectives, not pushing leads, just not using their weight in general to win). At the same time there are plat players that honestly have bronze mechanics and still manage to win because they made better decisions.

A good youtuber for you to watch would probably be LastShadow9. He consistently uploads videos of coaching sessions for all elos from bronze to Challenger and He also does lcs game analysis.

Arrowe1 votes

I wonder how many players get to high elo with out a coach

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