"volibear is toxic and shouldn't be viable"

Big Lincoln··31 votes·4,119 views

KogMaw is fine Mordekaiser who cares Tristana a-ok Twitch acceptable Chogath keeping his gargoyle ult because it's fun and adds character Nunu ah yep, give this asshole 20,000 mini-reworks that just give him free extra power, what's that, he jumped to a 58% winrate again? who could have seen it coming

best one tho

Pantheon "Panth - We'll likely nerf his early Q damage. Might then put some power somewhere else, make him less about either crushing lane or failing to be usefu. An ult buff's one of the more likely possible changes."

even pantheon is being carefully monitored so he's still good, an actual toxic champion. LOL

fuck Volibear though, we're not even gonna spare the resources for a mini-rework, he can sit in the trash until 2020 when he gets vgu'd into a mage support

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TyrekGoldenspear31 votes

Armored bears shouldn't be in league.

Big Lincoln18 votes

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TyrekGoldenspear31 votes

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Bisaknosp9 votes

yasuo shouldnt be in league

DunkinNoobs8 votes

I'm not a fan of champs that can basically get a free kill every time their flash is up. Volibear most certainly qualifies and Rek'sai/Gragas are dangerously close.

Big Lincoln2 votes

im writing a mini-update idea right now my homie dude home-slice, give me a few minutes to figure out how to articulate it

BoilTheOil4 votes

Volibear now gets .01% bigger size each time he kills somebody with his W [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Big Lincoln1 votes

ok so it'll be more than a few minutes

Theorchero2 votes

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I'm not a fan of champs that can basically get a free kill every time their flash is up. Volibear most certainly qualifies and Rek'sai/Gragas are dangerously close.

Honestly Volibear has little else going for him. He gets outdamaged by a lot of immobile melees, and his ganks are garbage with flash unless the enemy is a complete monkey. Gragas and Reksai are more dangerous both with flash and without.

Tails90166 votes

Riven Snowballing off of 2 kills is fine.

Or is she ok since she takes skill?

Theorchero2 votes

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Riven Snowballing off of 2 kills is fine. 1 kill.

Or is she ok since she takes skill?

ftfy

dominusx1 votes

adcs snowball of one kill and take no skill.

Lauchmelder3 votes

ADCs require skill though.

Not so much when it comes to button pressing but they need great mouse movement to kite properly.

Big Lincoln1 votes

i need great mouse movement to run at them item 3800

Lauchmelder1 votes

Only if you're playing Olaf and use summoner 6 with the engage

CM Calgar5 votes

yeah ok you balance 150 champs, I doubt a 150 people could do that task.

Big Lincoln9 votes

i could do it

Mecha MaIphite8 votes

big lincoln for balance team

Big Lincoln13 votes

big lincoln should be the only person ON the balance team

like comment and subscribe if you agree

An Enemy Sutando8 votes

Next day patch notes:

-All mages and assassins do no more damage, Illaoi is the strongest champion in the game.

Big Lincoln6 votes

i like assassins akshully

death to mages -- i mean hehe i'd make the game real balanced :) no bias

SwiftKitten883 votes

[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EbaIoHfm,comment-id=000600000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-08-19T02:38:06.184+0000)

i like assassins akshully

death to mages -- i mean hehe i'd make the game real balanced :) no bias

i don't understand how u can possible hate mages when volibear hard-counters pretty much every single mage...

if you can't beat them as volibear in thier abysmal current state .. who the fuck do u expect to be able to beat them as?

Big Lincoln4 votes

volibear hard-counters pretty much every single mage...

oops dropped this item 3116 on you guess i win hehe

SwiftKitten883 votes

[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EbaIoHfm,comment-id=00060000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-08-19T04:03:22.235+0000)

oops dropped this item 3116 on you guess i win hehe

that item is complete trash... its a 20% slow.. the hp and AP game been completely gutted.

unless they are on of the few champions who can permanently proc it... your going to reach them unless thier team has some hard cc to peel for them.. they instant you catch up to them they are dead. you have a speed boost... use can use summoner 6 summoner 4 item 3742

sure you might not reach them EVERY team.. but even those time you certainly going to be able keep them running and remove them from the fight. as well and make them blow their hard cc skills on you to save themselves an not your own carries

An Undead brat2 votes

Engrave this to a copper plate and put it on my grave.

GayFluffyUnicorn1 votes

abysmal state? Are u drunk? trolling? mages in abysmal state, okay.

AirKingNeo1 votes

I could too.

abca981 votes

I mean, when you look how the balance team leaves things like new Chogath with true damage scaling with hp in a champ whose hp scales infinitely, or when they make balance changes on perfectly good champs just to make them see pro play, or when they make "class updates" that completely break or gut entire classes...

RavenMagus5 votes

He already does infinite damage and is impossible to kill, he'd be insane if he could actually reach anyone.

ModCaptainMårvelous3 votes

I mean out of those characters you listed, a few of them are fine and/or problematic because of different reasons. (Like ADCs rising because of assassin gutting and the power of tank/support items). The others listed are just in the same dire state as Volibear. That said, (and this is just my personal idea), Volibear is a bit more simplistic than most of what you listed, even pantheon.

Although I think we agreed together on this in one of those threads I made about "wtf is with volibear riot", most of the champs listed have some fun hook to their gameplay, be it a cheesy thing like Nunu's counter-jungle palooza or a really neat thing like Mordekaiser's drain-power. Volibear doesn't really have any of that. He's in the same boat as Udyr where he's just sort of a champ that runs at you and hits you hard. The armor bear theme is thrown away with a fairly generic kit.

All that said, I sincerely hope they say "fuck it" with Voli and bump him up. Especially with his position now as a demigod/god of the Freljord.

InstaPoppy3 votes

Kog'maw is mainly good because of strong enchanters.

Morde pretty much only get played and is usefull when played by his mains who masterd him.

Tristana was fine but she sneaked back into the meta when other adc's got nerfed.

Twitch yea i don't have anything to say about him being so dumb.

Cho'gath they are nerfing him by changing gargoyle and making the interaction less powerfull.

Nunu really needs a vgu just like pantheon and voli imo but they can't rework everything at once u know.

Riot can't balance everything at once especialy since new reworks and new champions also need their attention so just accept that they are doing their best and its going to take some time :)

Arsenic Sulfur3 votes

Here's the thing about Volibear compared to almost everyone else on that list and this isn't exclusive to him; He can't miss. At all. All of his spells are only barred by range much like Garen, Kindred, and Nunu. Because when they can't miss, numbers are the only metric of balance. Should something, ANYTHING make those numbers insane they suddenly become top picks.

Remember when Xin Zhao was buffed and his numbers were actually good? Yeah everyone hated his guts because he just jumped on you and smacked ya with a literal stat-stick with nothing you could do to avoid the damage. Now give Volibear actually good numbers, replace the dashing with immense bulk and you got a similar case.

Kog'maw can miss and is somehow squishier than Sona so he needs a team comp built around him.

Tristana can only miss her jump, but she can also save an enemy with mis-timed ults. Sure Volibear can also save an enemy, but only if he flips them over a wall which is a much rarer scenario, at least relatively.

Twitch is definitely a problem, but he only has team-fighting to make him stand above other ADCs as in 1v1 scenarios every other ADC not named Kog'maw as the other ADCs have damage steroids.

Cho'gath R+Stoneplate will go away when Stoneplate is nerfed. Riot sees Stoneplate as the offender here as it caused a lot more than just that boost to his R damage.

Nunu is outdated and in need of a VGU

Mordekaiser is outdated and bug-riddled and in need of a VGU

And Pantheon was never seen as okay. Ever. If Renekton, lane bully and balance metric of top lane, has to respect Pantheon even if he does dive face first into the grand canyon come late game there is a serious problem.

jwebb01132 votes

are you back at it with your shit post my friend ?

lol and you never responded to my comment on your post ranting about supports the other day

Big Lincoln2 votes

this is the COLD HARD FACTS volibear is no less toxic than any of these champs who are all strong atm

i demand equality

TyrekGoldenspear3 votes

If there is equality than nobody is strong.

Big Lincoln5 votes

i dont care about OTHER weak champs, just the ones i like

TyrekGoldenspear2 votes

You will be a fine Sith Lord.

Big Lincoln4 votes

i want equality but my champions should be more equal

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

Scratch Sith Lord, you'll be a Sith Master.

jwebb01131 votes

[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EbaIoHfm,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-08-19T00:38:48.885+0000)

this is the COLD HARD FACTS volibear is no less toxic than any of these champs who are all strong atm

i demand equality

lol im getting downvoted on your thread for asking you bout your shit post

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

Big Lincoln2 votes

get roasted kiddo

jwebb01131 votes

[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EbaIoHfm,comment-id=0000000000020000,timestamp=2017-08-19T01:39:17.701+0000)

get roasted kiddo

lol kiddo im older then you KID now respect your ELDERS

Big Lincoln2 votes

im 73 nice try

hoganftw2 votes

Riot is just afraid of Trick2G meta.

They don't wanna see a GODYR in their game, so they nerfed Udyr to Kingdom Come and removed devourers. They don't wanna get electricified, so they nerfed Volibear.

Big Lincoln3 votes

they don't want those GATES opened

koshkyra2 votes

i mean

he is incredibly annoying to fight tho

Mizaya1 votes

Who even said that?

Big Lincoln2 votes

meddler in today's gameplay thots

HudnofskiBleh1 votes

Who said these guys were fine? I thought that they all are complained about.

Edit: Although, if we are promoting weak champs, bring back Udyr.

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