Akali's rework is a fail.

AR URF··6 votes·1,741 views

You can't do anything to her. She attacks from her shroud and you try to auto attack her, but it cancels because she goes back in. She does that to you under tower and everytime she goes back in the turret doesn't target her.

Who honestly thought that would make for fair gameplay?

Edit: Well this did have a good bit of upvotes till the akali squad came in. "muh assassins deserve to one shot"

23 Comments

Gall3 votes

I actually have to disagree with this. However, I also agree entirely. Wait..

The reason I say disagree is because she is actually a pretty decent champion to fight in a good match up with even farm. I used to think otherwise until I memorized her abilities and cooldowns. Don't kill me yet for saying that though..

I also agree with you because she is an absolute bitch. She controls the fight. She decided when to enter, and she decided when to leave. She decides to towerdive without much risk, and she decides when to play passive and farm it up with an unlimited energy pool and health gaining Q. She is the one always in control, which makes the feeling of playing against her shitty because you're in her arms. You can absolutely outplay her and shit on her, but that's only if you're prepared to play reactively.

Even when she's 0-5, I still find myself playing reactively to her decisions. I have no other choice most of the time. And even if she has 0 items, she can still absolutely demolish any squishy if they don't play reactive correctly. A jhin with 6 items can still be maimed to all fucking hell by an akali with 2 items if jhin doesn't play it precise. That's the thorn of akali.

However, if that akali messes up her own decision, then you can fuck the shit out of her and that feels good :-).

ReWeebdown2 votes

However, if that akali messes up her own decision, then you can fuck the shit out of her and that feels good :-).

She has this Yasuo syndrome. You either outplay your enemy or outplay yourself lol.

ReWeebdown2 votes

Pick Ahri Veigar Syndra autowin the lane cuz she cant farm, she cant all in cuz they poke her too much and she cant just tower dive you with her shroud cuz they can cc her insider the shorud. Yeah shes annyoing as hell but she isn't as op everyone claims her to be

Vuxem1 votes

And if you first pick?

ReWeebdown2 votes

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And if you first pick?

Well just pick a champ who counters her in the frst place, just dont give her kills in lane, she is useless when she doesnt snowball just like any other assassin and you know theres this featute in champ select called BAN. If you really hate playing aainst her just ban her.

AR URF1 votes

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Well just pick a champ who counters her in the frst place, just dont give her kills in lane, she is useless when she doesnt snowball just like any other assassin and you know theres this featute in champ select called BAN. If you really hate playing aainst her just ban her.

I don't really know how you can counter true stealth. Just the idea of true stealth is dumb IMO.

Vuxem1 votes

At this point, shouldn't they just nerf the fucking champion? Why should I have to first pick to counter pick a champion? That doesn't make a lick of sense.

ReWeebdown3 votes

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At this point, shouldn't they just nerf the fucking champion? Why should I have to first pick to counter pick a champion? That doesn't make a lick of sense.

I'm not saying that. I said just Ban her if you have too much trouble against her or counterpick some of the champs with non targeted cc to make her life hell. But tbh if you're doing good with your champ you can always beat Akali. I think its easier with champions that have non targeted cc since you can just cc her in a shroud. I, myself find it easy to beat Akali with my Ekko for example. I have legit no problem fighting her at any point of the game. Fighting her is actually pretty easy, when you know how her cooldowns are and engage her, when she has her shroud on cd and isnt on full energy.I dont know, for me Akali is just like facing any other assassin. Its about knowing their strengths, their weaknesses and decisionmaking. I'm not saying shes not annyoing with her heal and that true stealth shit. But she's in no way op.

Shobek2 votes

I was an Akali main before the rework. One of the most played in the world.

I'm insulted that Riot deleted my champ and replaced it with this completely new kit and skin that feels nothing like her original form.

Tencent is removing Lol's soul.

Warlord Rhinark1 votes

This champion was made by CertainlyT gang.

Sir Prepuzius1 votes

pff everybody complaining about her and write those posts like

"She attacks from her shroud and you try to auto attack her," pff. sure, attack her while she is in shroud, hey, remember to position yourself in the middle of it so you can attack her better ;)

just learn to play dudes.

akali has a lot of counters in lane, and as an assassin it's difficult to be effective in teamfights so i really don't know what you complaining about.

i main Heimerdinger and i crush my lane 98% of the time yet i have never seen someone complaining about him

AR URF1 votes

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pff everybody complaining about her and write those posts like

"She attacks from her shroud and you try to auto attack her," pff. sure, attack her while she is in shroud, hey, remember to position yourself in the middle of it so you can attack her better ;)

just learn to play dudes.

akali has a lot of counters in lane, and as an assassin it's difficult to be effective in teamfights so i really don't know what you complaining about.

i main Heimerdinger and i crush my lane 98% of the time yet i have never seen someone complaining about him

Heimerdinger is annoying, but if you let him do his thing, you'll safely farm under tower if you're playing passive. Akali has a gap closer almost as long as Nocturne (sarcasm). But really heimer you can at least see what he's doing and he doesn't 100-0 in .25 seconds unless you eat his w and ult+turrets.

Sir Prepuzius1 votes

heimer isn't just "annoying", he is the very definition of lane bully, and makes opponents want to uninstall the game or in the better case just give up the lane and roam, most of the time i leave the opponent way behind in his farm while i chunk down his turret

akali has a gap closer, sure, she can get kills, sure (if you land all her skillshot, that is) still why complain about her when she requires so much effort to put good plays and be proficient with her

meanwhile my boy heimer just sit on his turrets and hoping to get ganked for a clean double kill...

AR URF1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sir Prepuzius,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EaUc2wE0,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2018-10-25T07:46:00.686+0000)

heimer isn't just "annoying", he is the very definition of lane bully, and makes opponents want to uninstall the game or in the better case just give up the lane and roam, most of the time i leave the opponent way behind in his farm while i chunk down his turret

akali has a gap closer, sure, she can get kills, sure (if you land all her skillshot, that is) still why complain about her when she requires so much effort to put good plays and be proficient with her

meanwhile my boy heimer just sit on his turrets and hoping to get ganked for a clean double kill...

She's not that hard to play.

Sir Prepuzius1 votes

i don't know, i always feed with her ;)

woodvsmurph1 votes

Doesn't matter if she has counters or not - that's not what's being debated/discussed.

Most champs attack speed is literally too slow to allow them to click on her to get an auto off when she unstealths to auto or q them. So that if they don't buy an attackspeed item and/or luckily have their mouse hovering directly over her when she attacks, there is literally nothing opponents can do to her for the 8 seconds she has her shroud up. TF used to be able to lock in gold card and hold it for... much less than 8 sec but longer than now and THAT was nerfed because it was deemed too powerful of a zoning tool in lane. But akali shroud as 8 sec area denial tool that also can deny you being able to use your tower for safety in lane? That is bs.

Assassins are hard to be effective on in teamfights? Sure... most of them this is true beyond the early/mid game. But not true for akali. There's a reason she's been picked so much at worlds compared to other assassins and even fighters fullfilling the same type of role as her - because she's an exception to this "rule".

And people don't complain about heimer because after laning phase, adc's basically make his base turrets useless. Turning him into an ult bot and some laughable harass with his rockets and stun grenades. There is no... akali is now largely useless phase of the game. There's a lot that you can't understand because of your elo. So many champs appear weak or useless because people simply aren't good enough to show you how threatening they can be when played skillfully for your elo. I looked at riven and thought she was garbage weak until I hit gold and ran into a few high gold and even a plat riven main. I gained a whole new respect for just how strong she CAN be when played decently (for the elo). And truth be told... those rivens (I still was able to outplay pretty much all of them - including the plat after a bit of learning) aren't even performing with her at anywhere near challenger level. The more difficult the champion, the less you are likely to see how strong it CAN be in lower elo.

Sir Prepuzius1 votes

And people don't complain about heimer because after laning phase, adc's basically make his base turrets useless. Turning him into an ult bot and some laughable harass with his rockets and stun grenades.

true he falls off late game but i wouldn't call him useless and as far as i know he's being played proficiently in high elo too, so.. adc can take down his turrets? well yes everybody has counterplays i'm just saying i found him way more oppressive and antifun to play against than the akali and he requires less skill, all things considered

There is no... akali is now largely useless phase of the game. There's a lot that you can't understand because of your elo. So many champs appear weak or useless because people simply aren't good enough to show you how threatening they can be when played skillfully for your elo.

indeed, she is op in the right hands of skillful players, she is no trynda/jax/yi/whatever "braindead" champion you can think of, so why complain?

woodvsmurph1 votes

Heimer is played in lcs and high elo because they exploit leads far more effectively. Meaning they get much more from a heimer's lead and end before the counterplay can really come into effect... and when they don't, the heimer team tends to lose.

As far as "braindead"... that's very elo dependent. Jax isn't a braindead champ. He and trynd are actually both pretty easily abused in lane if you are playing a champ that can punish them early. And yi? Yeah he's stupid op in terms of damage. But you give me an enemy yi jg and I'll give you an easy win. I take renekton any time vs him because the second yi pops out of his q, i stun him and my team erases him from the map. So yi players in higher elo can't just pop r, braindead run at opponents, and spam q on cd. The good yi players use q to dodge out on enemy aoe and abilities much the way a good fizz will use playful/trickster to dodge out on enemy damage/cc AND deal damage at the same time. Based on your response (to which I'm replying) and my lack of ability to put everything in to words adequately, I can't fully communicate to you but... akali is more braindead than you might think. At least once you reach a certain threshhold of players... she's actually pretty braindead compared to many other champs. Not garen level, but she's probably only a tier above.

Sir Prepuzius1 votes

everybody has his own opinions and it's ok, yet everybody that writes complaining about akali seems to be bothered by her shroud, when the counterplay to that is so easy.. just get away?

AR URF1 votes

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everybody has his own opinions and it's ok, yet everybody that writes complaining about akali seems to be bothered by her shroud, when the counterplay to that is so easy.. just get away?

"just get away" as she lands her ability and gap closes on you and 100-0 you. That's a dumb argument.

Sir Prepuzius1 votes

she doesn't have the burst to 100-0 unless she uses her ult /gunblade

AR URF1 votes

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she doesn't have the burst to 100-0 unless she uses her ult /gunblade

I got 100-0 as Jhin against bot lane Akali when she just had the gunblade parts.

woodvsmurph1 votes

READ

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Then... THINK. Listen. Learn.

Duration at rank 1: 5-8 sec. Cd 17 sec. I don't know if cd starts when you cast shroud or if it starts when you end. But let's assume it starts when you end... to make akali as weak as possible in this argument. This means roughly 1/3 of the time you are laning vs akali... you cannot walk anywhere near her. You cannot soak xp, you cannot cs. You cannot even hide under your tower. ONE THIRD OF THE TIME.

Wow... such a simple counter to akali lol.

Tf used to be able to hold gold card after locking it in for something like 4 sec. He'd use it as a tool to zone champs for a whole 4 sec or something like that. And his combo if he actually landed it with this did less damage than akali can put out, was a lower duration zoning tool, AND didn't heal him. But it was deemed toxic to be able to zone that hard, so the duration a card lasts after the color choice is locked in was nerfed. By a good margin.

Or... Imagine darius had his e up every 3 sec. Or renekton had w and e up every 3 sec (1/3 of the time). That would seem just a bit fucking toxic and bs. But yeah... you can just play around that and not be in lane when that happens and it would make it ok right? Seems like a pretty improbable argument when you put it like that. Or imagining kayle with her ult on a 9-12 sec cd. Yeah, have fun 1v1 that all game. But oh... that's right akali is an assassin so we should feel bad for her and say it's ok.

So do it. I dare you. You get Riot to give those 3 champs that kind of cd on the abilities I talked about, you lane vs them all, you teamfight vs them all, and then... THEN if you can honestly tell me they are fair to play against in that scenario, you can say akali shroud isn't bs. If you can't, then your argument is invalid. Because essentially these cases would be giving those champs the same zoning power available for the same percentage of the time in a fight... 1/3rd. And remember... this is giving akali the benefit of the doubt and assuming the longest cd interval possible for her between her shrouds.

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