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Why is Riven allowed to stay in the current state that she is in?

IsIsGankedParis··2 votes·1,201 views

She's not fun to play against at all. She wins lane hard, she scales super well with damage and gets tankier with more damage built.

She has insane steroids on her passive and R, which makes her passive even better.

She has really low cooldowns, mobility out the ass in her Q and E, and a ranged AOE execute.

And before saying pick Darius or Garen vs her, I do that, I main Darius, Riven is the only match-up I can't win because she does more damage than me in level 1 trades, and once she hits level 3, she just does her 3 Q combo, stuns me, then hops out while I am CC'd, because having 2 forms of CC in a kit that offers damage and safety is fair.

Darius isn't allowed to be an early lane bully because he "beats melees too hard", Riven beats melees harder than Darius as she offers more damage than him, CC, and fights ranged champions better than Darius.

Yes I am salty that Darius has to be weaker than Riven, who has more damage, CC, tankiness in the form of a shield, mobility, and an execute that doesn't require you to be in their face.

19 Comments

KY5KmUJg9B7 votes

Typical run of the mill Nerf riven thread.

Riven is not op, she gets shit on by a lot of people and if she gets hit with cc she explodes . She is a lot like trynamere if she builds full ad, she has the potential to run train on a team if you allow her to, but if she gets cced and focused she's done before she starts.

Rivens generally do build shitloads of damage, so if she gets behind, she has a tendency to get stomped because shes going to try and build damage.

Darius is also much much much easier to play than riven, and honestly if you are losing to riven as Darius you just aren't playing the match up as well as the riven is. Also of course an AD caster with mobility fights ranged better than slow, lumbering no gap closer Darius.

Wrath of Zed6 votes

Literally all you have to do is counter her and play smart. You have to branch out and not be so one dimensional. Stop trying to get the game to adapt to you and adapt to it

Elisai5 votes

Then you're just bad I guess. Yes Rivens a great champion but you could just out range her with Jayce top.

ProfDrDeath3 votes

And before saying pick Darius or Garen vs her, I do that, I main Darius, Riven is the only match-up I can't win because she does more damage than me in level 1 trades, and once she hits level 3, she just does her 3 Q combo, stuns me, then hops out while I am CC'd, because having 2 forms of CC in a kit that offers damage and safety is fair.

She does more damage than me in level 1 trades. => Don't fight her level 1, then? You should know by now that Riven is one of the strongest level 1 champions, due to essentially having access to three spells worth of damage between the Q and her passive.

Once she hits level 3, she just does her 3 Q combo, stuns me and and hops out. => So, she telegraphs her going in for days by using Q to go in. Why don't you react to that, then?

Sounds like you just continuously get outplayed in a counter-matchup in your favor. The only real advice here is: Master yourself. Master your enemy. In the sense that you need to learn what both you and the one you play against can do.

Puri Puri Taric3 votes

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warpenguin5552 votes

Jax Shits all over her too

Trash MammaI2 votes

It's pointless to make a Riven thread like this. Riven mains will downvote you to oblivion because they don't want their precious freelo nerfed. The only thing Riven ISN'T legit GIVEN is mixed damage. She has any and everything a bruiser could ask for. Hell, with her low cd ad scaling shield she has anything a tank could ask for. She's retardedly overloaded but as long as her player base is as big as it is she won't be touched.

Riven's nothing more but an even more overloaded version of lee sin. As you see he got love taps just like Riven when she lost her hp p/5

Toothierosprey36 votes

Riven is actually easy to counter. I like going against RIven because you can just build armor, outsusatian her, or poke her.

Trash MammaI1 votes

Playing against level 1's isn't fair :/

Toothierosprey32 votes

Stay away from her at level one. If you don't stand close enough, she has to use 2 or 3 qs to get on top of you, resulting in less damage.

redniwediS2 votes

I downvoted this as a Garen main. All it takes is a little effort in order to beat Riven. Just take the time to learn and you'll be fine.

That's the real reason threads like this get downvoted, people would rather complain than learn.

Trash MammaI1 votes

Unless you're playing against a Riven who has downs she can easily bait out her Q by walking up to you and then Eing away or stunning you till its down then stomp your face in.

Even if you do manage to beat her in lane it doesn't keep her down because of how overloaded her kit is she can just go pop your adc or mid laner and catch up.

redniwediS2 votes

I have years of experience that disagrees with you. How much experience is backing your own statements? Legitimate question, not trying to show off.

Once you stop complaining about a champion and focus on what works against them you WILL learn to stop said champion. it's really just that easy.

Trash MammaI1 votes

Stopping Riven isn't the issue i'm pointing out. Yes, you can build 6 armor items so it'll finally mean something and possibly (probably not) kill her with the 20% bonus you get from garen's W.

That doesn't mean she isn't overloaded kit-wise though. P:Mini Sheen Q:3 dashes and an AoE knockup W:AoE stun E:Another dash that gives a shield that scales with AD R:Range boost/ad steroid/ranged execute

She's stupidly mobile. She's fairly tanky with her shield. She has great damage. She has great waveclear.

She has it all and most of it has very little counterplay to it other than a silence in which cho/malz/garen/raka are the only ones with now that I can think of and 2/4 o them is way too squishy to lane vs a riven. Cho has to land every rupture for his silence to mean shit and Garen is more so a who baits who first matchup in which case it's far easier for Riven.

The only way she can fall off is if you constantly build armor and seeing as how she will most likely get LW and yomumu or BC most of that armor wont even matter

redniwediS2 votes

I can stop her with far less than 6 armor items...

You're just listing her strengths and ignoring her weaknesses. Silence isn't what kills her either. Garen can out trade her with W and spin even while CCed. Cho'Gath has beastly sustain to keep him going until he actually lands CC. Malzahar has a supression and either enough DoT damage or auto attack damage to kill her in one combo.

She's only mobile with cooldown reduction or against immobile champions. She's only tanky if you are low on damage yourself or if she's ahead. Her damage is designed to kill groups of squishy targets or single tanky targets. Her waveclear is honestly average (not saying it's bad, there are simply enough champs with similar waveclear to call it average).

She has a crap ton of counterplay that you're ignoring. You can't just focus on her strengths. If you legitimately can't see her weaknesses please, stop posting on here and take some time to look them up before you reply. It's public knowledge.

MLDzXnRRR2 votes

Diana is good vs Riven, Fiora too. Diana takes no dmg if you start with shield and flask, outsustain her and poke. Fiora outtrades her even if you start cloth 5, but can fall off, if you don't get fed (or get stunlocked every tf). Rives at least has some cc for the team, if she falls behind. Plus Darius rekts riven https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3brPZxhDi8

colesy2 votes

riven, tanky, pick one.

a 1.5s shield to block like one auto's worth of damage isn't "tanky".

she only has low cooldowns if she runs CDR masteries, runes and builds brutalizer and ionians. the latter two takes her like a good 10-15 minutes to get unless she outright rushes them (and rushing ionians versus getting like, pickaxe + long sword isn't worth unless you're against someone who you need to whittle down in multiple trades).

and no, riven does not hit you with 3 Qs, normally she has to Q + E to even get in to range of you and then worst case scenario you eat 2 Qs, 2 autos and W and maybe a third auto. alternatively, you can actually try trading back and deal enough damage to scare her off from engaging or simply play safe.

just another thread of bad players who don't bother to learn how to play against riven. it's like idiots who lane against a zed and try going ham on him when he has his Q and W up.

AetherKingdom2 votes

goes onto some counter site sees darius counters riven hurrhurr i win anything these minions don't hurt, lemme go fight her in her minion wave dies Wow wtf riven op

SS Enforcer2 votes

Look man i'm a Darius main too. If ya can't win against Riven with Darius you are just not a skilled player. Plain and simple.

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