every champ with high waveclear needs to have their waveclear gutted
im tired of being completely unable to even fucking touch a turret as melee because they have GP or viktor there to delete the wave as soon as it gets close. cancer gameplay that riot makes better every year
Ahristocats3 votesgive 15% AOE damage reduction to minions
Big Lincoln2 votessounds fantastic
HongChongDong3 votesThen play something that also has good waveclear. Countering different mechanics, champions, and stats with something is a massive part of the game. If you don't have waveclear and/or range vs a champion with waveclear and/or range then it means you got countered, not that the other champion is unbalanced.
Cresmont2 voteswaveclear isnt op, its an essential part of the game
how else would you counter a huge siege or some insane tower dive
wave clear is an essential strat and its not like they can do everything viktor and gp have wave clear and teamfight dmg but put them against an assassin or someone mobile and watch how they do also, if a viktor uses laser on wave, thats one less fighting tool, same with gp barrel, you just dont know how to capitalize on it oh but lucian gets both yes, he also drains his mana pool to do so and gives up combat effectiveness every champ has an up and a down
Big Lincoln2 votesGP barrels zone you from the wave and when he gets free MS boost you aren't gonna catch him ever. never has to take a risk in lane to do a thing so he's happy to wait for barrel CD and do it all over again
viktor's E has piss for a cooldown and if he's clearing the wave then you aren't fighting
waveclear is on almost every new champion and every reworked champion gets even more. to say it isn't hyper-prevalent is ignorant. it's no wonder juggs get shittier every patch, the entire game is getting stacked against them
Cresmont1 votesthere are ways to play around it, just learn it.
stop bitching about a mechanic everyone knows
Escheton1 votesWait. They have 2 people defending a tower from a melee? Quick, rush dragon! They can't contest. Or pressure anothet turret etc
Big Lincoln2 votesone, they have one person
gp gets to hold turret indefinitely but also contribute globally
oh and even though my CS is higher he has more gold than me xd
Abyssphere1 votesZero chance whatsoever that they do this. Waveclear is increasingly prevalent in champion kits because it makes champions less binary (a champion that's behind isn't totally useless if they're at least good at farming gold off of minions) and they're not gonna reverse that for the sake of melee champions getting to push towers when sucking at that is an intended weakness in the first place.
If you want to get a tower defended by someone with high waveclear then dive them or go do something more useful. Gangplank is the only champion who can stop you doing both of those things well and that is because his design is absolutely atrocious.
Martensitic1 votesIf GP gives you truoble, learn to play Renekton.
But as indicated by your other board posts, that would be too constructive an approach to the problem.
Better cry for nerfs. That will help fah sure brah.
Big Lincoln1 votesxdd if i ignore the point of the post and use a snarky attitude on my boards smurf maybe i'll llook cool
khorney1 votesit is gutted.... late game only on hit aa champs can wave clear faster tehn anyone. adcs cant wave clear for shyt becuase the cs have huge armor values and ap burst really cant wave clear effectively anyway. look at my history and scroll to my tfs games where i have blade and rage blade. that build is a split push godsend build and will waveclear faster then 5 people combined