Did Riot Need to buff Nasus (AGAIN)? You tell me.

Illabethe·Feb 24, 2019·2 votes·3,537 views

https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2985458920/243999882?tab=stats

Yorick top. vs Smurf Master Tier Nasus player smurfing.

Nasus literally had a 100% CS capture pre 15 minutes, with the exception of when I killed him level 6 at 6:30

443 stacks at 14 minutes. 600 stacks at 22 minutes. By the end of the game 2124 Stacks.

But hey. He totally needed this buff.

My Morg stun/snare lasted less than half a second.

But hey. Yorick is a Nasus hard counter.....

Nasus tanked 250,000 damage. Yeah. Fun game.

But, ofc Ralifaz ended the game by asking everyone to enter a contest to win something, and that makes playing Master Tier in Silver "Okay"

31 Comments

ZephyrDrakeFeb 25, 20197 votes

Ok... so you are using a smuf player beating you as a reason as to why he didn't need to get buffed? While playing with someone that literally feeds him stacks all throughout the game?

IllabetheFeb 25, 20191 votes

What are you talking about? Nasus doesn't gain stacks from minions, and that wasn't ME. I was Morgana, and started off carrying the game hard.

And this is COMMON.

Btw, I'm also smurfing. But I'm smurfing in the sense that I use low elo as a playground for experimental builds, and I'm sure as hell not Master. I cap out at Diamond II.

About 1 in 3 games right now has a smurf of some variant. We should have won this game. But he literally 1v5'd.

Tr4shB4NSYST3MFeb 25, 201911 votes

Diamond player in Silver complains about master player in silver. LOOOOOOOOOOOOL if the irony were a snake It woulda bitten you!

IllabetheFeb 25, 20191 votes

That's not the point. I don't play to dominate players. I play exotic builds/roles to make it more interesting. My effective "Fill" effectiveness is about Gold I

I couldn't stop him even by selling and going onto a correct build.

BeersteinFeb 25, 20193 votes

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That's not the point. I don't play to dominate players. I play exotic builds/roles to make it more interesting. My effective "Fill" effectiveness is about Gold I

I couldn't stop him even by selling and going onto a correct build.

Screw off, you deserve worse for playing in silver.

IllabetheFeb 25, 20191 votes

You know what? Fine. I'll let you get stomped by the 2000+ Stack Nasus's

3TWarriorFeb 26, 20194 votes

considering if a person plays perfectly, the average CS score would be around 300, that's 900 stacks + cannon value

where'd the other 1100 which is about 90 kills/large monsters come from?

if we cut that to 30 kills and 60 monsters, that's still a ton of roaming and game time while getting perfect CS in lane?

EthreainAmbusherFeb 26, 20195 votes

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That's not the point. I don't play to dominate players. I play exotic builds/roles to make it more interesting. My effective "Fill" effectiveness is about Gold I

I couldn't stop him even by selling and going onto a correct build.

Complaining that you got smacked by a master and that you couldn't do anything is what Nasus is based around. Once he gets ahead/scales and you do a troll build Morgana with "exotic builds" you shouldn't be surprised when he one-taps you.

_You also smurf in silver elo, fun builds or not, that isn't healthy for the game. Especially for the master tier Nasus, probably why you got put up against him in the first place, shows that the ranked matchmaking is doing decently, since it puts two smurfs in one game. +1 to riot and +10 bugs to mordekaiser _

Doge2020Feb 26, 20193 votes

+1 for the joke at the end and +12 because nasus absolutely destroyed OP

Doge2020Feb 25, 20194 votes

sees a person who knows a lot about the game and their champ absolutely destroy somebody who doesn’t know much about the game or the matchup

WOW OMG NASUS SO OP (MORE CLICKBAIT RANDOM AND FAKE STUFF FOR VIEWS) RITO WHY DID YOU BUFF NASUS

EthreainAmbusherFeb 26, 20191 votes

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sees a person who knows a lot about the game and their champ absolutely destroy somebody who doesn’t know much about the game or the matchup

WOW OMG NASUS SO OP (MORE CLICKBAIT RANDOM AND FAKE STUFF FOR VIEWS) RITO WHY DID YOU BUFF NASUS

TwinkieProFeb 25, 20193 votes

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What are you talking about? Nasus doesn't gain stacks from minions, and that wasn't ME. I was Morgana, and started off carrying the game hard.

And this is COMMON.

Btw, I'm also smurfing. But I'm smurfing in the sense that I use low elo as a playground for experimental builds, and I'm sure as hell not Master. I cap out at Diamond II.

About 1 in 3 games right now has a smurf of some variant. We should have won this game. But he literally 1v5'd.

Except that nasus can gain stacks from minons... 3 from small fry, 12 from big ones. I thought that was common knowledge.

ZephyrDrakeFeb 25, 20195 votes

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What are you talking about? Nasus doesn't gain stacks from minions, and that wasn't ME. I was Morgana, and started off carrying the game hard.

And this is COMMON.

Btw, I'm also smurfing. But I'm smurfing in the sense that I use low elo as a playground for experimental builds, and I'm sure as hell not Master. I cap out at Diamond II.

About 1 in 3 games right now has a smurf of some variant. We should have won this game. But he literally 1v5'd.

wow you just confirmed that you don't need to know jack about the game to get high elo just have mechanics and nothing more. Nasus gains stacks from minions, he always has. Yorick literally feeds him minions that Nasus will gladly take to inflate his stacks. I'll say this again since it didn't go through your thick skull. So you are using a smurf player beating you as a reason as to why he didn't need to get buffed? While playing with someone that literally feeds him stacks all throughout the game? Are you going to reply with something of value? I don't care if you were the Yorick or not. You literally are using someone smurfing and beating someone who is clearly a worst player than them as your reasoning as to why a champion cannot get buffed... I can literally tell a challenger player to play the lowest winrate champion in a low elo game and they will literally obliterate the low elo player. The mechanics does not compare in the slightest. I don't care about your smurfing you are just as bad as every single smurf out there and I hope that you get nothing but challenger smurfs in every single one of your games

Doge2020Feb 26, 20192 votes

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What are you talking about? Nasus doesn't gain stacks from minions, and that wasn't ME.

BROTHER WHAT? You need to play nasus lol. he gains at least 75% of his stacks from minions, that other 25-0% is from the occasional champ kill that yeets itself into Nasus’s open arms with a silver platter, and the big monsters in the jungle camps. If you are going to diss Nasus at least know (and make sure you clearly show that you know) how his namesake ability works lol

IllabetheFeb 26, 20191 votes

Was late.... and I'm grumpy. Yes he can gain stacks, but a 3 stack ghoul is the same as a 3 stack minion, and lane based Q has a pretty significant cooldown.

Yorick has a 64% win rate vs Nasus, even though he provides minions, because he simply overwhelms the rate of auto attack with large waves nasus hasn't killed, + minions. If Nasus kills them all with E, he loses those stacks. If he doesn't, he dies and Yorick single pushes his turret.

P.S. from what you wrote, you think I'm talking about regular minions. No. I'm talking about Yorick's, which he does as well.

NoPaxtFeb 25, 20194 votes

You had no legit ADC and no item 3123 or item 3033 and no summoner 3 so yeah good luck...

IllabetheFeb 25, 20191 votes

Teemo was the "Adc." Zyra had item 3165 , but the point isn't team counterbuilding. It's that this potential actually exists in RANKED.

It doesn't matter at all that he's carrying a 53% Plat + average now, even though his primary weakness is his TEAM's performance, meaning that he's the one controlling their games now, not them.

Or that he has a 15% Ban rate in Plat +.

Or that pro Nasus players are pulling 67-70% in Masters.

NoPaxtFeb 25, 20192 votes

The phrase was legit ADC... and you needed multiple forms of GW

IllabetheFeb 25, 20191 votes

You can't deal with his HP levels, resistances, and get Grievous wounds at the same time as dealing with 2500-3000 damage hits, wither, and lack of being affected by CC. I personally needed Liandras/Rylais just to be able to eb at his HP, because 2500-3000 damage hits recover lots of HP, even with Grievous wounds. I didn't have a single uneeded item. I couldn't even buy a Death Cap.

Doge2020Feb 26, 20191 votes

Maybe group with your team? It would be helpful if you or your team played a champ that specifically counters Nasus or tanky top laners. (Good conq users is a nice pool to choose from)

Or avoid feeding him kills/cannon minion stacks so he can’t get enough gold to buy VIsage for more healing and, more importantly, so he can’t have that many stacks to even deal that much damage to you.

IllabetheFeb 26, 20191 votes

That's not what happened. By 12 minutes or so HE was grouping. As soon as top lane was gone, he joined his team and began teleporting around the map to farm multiple lanes, jungle, and center line his team. Grouping does nothing when a Nasus realizes he doesn't have to play alone.

P.S. Yorick has a 64% win rate vs Nasus, because even though he can farm minions, his rate is on a cooldown. Yorick + a wave overwhelms Nasus's turret and there is extremely little counterplay.

He has what? 25 kills? that's 300 stacks just from kills.

420 CS? Only 167 of that was from lane, and I killed him level 6 on a gank. Do you even read the post you're replying to?

Doge2020Feb 26, 20192 votes

Yeah but you are bitching about a specific scenario when a smurfing opponent beat you fair and square. He played the lane in a way that allowed him to get stacks and win. Even if the stack buff was reverted you would most likely bitch about nasus from this scenario just because he got fed and had a lot of stacks. just take the L and move on, If you really hate nasus then just ban him.

Yorick does have a high win rate against nasus because he has tools to contain nasus and easily beat him. But everybody was mentioning the CONCEPT of Yorick and nasus, Yorick’s minions give stacks so in an ideal lane nasus will want to stack off of the ghouls during lane. And this ideal situation nets a very large amount of stack for the nasus. But Yorick has more tools that help him against nasus than nasus has against Yorick. Everybody else was mentioning a contributor to the cause of the large amount of stacks that nasus got (which is +3 for each of the ghouls and I believe +12 for the maiden).

Everybody loses to a very heavily snowballed game, not just specifically against nasus either, so if you want nasus to get nerfed from one scenario like this then every single champ in the game will have to recieve a nerf according to your logic/reasoning.

IllabetheFeb 26, 20191 votes

The GAME was not snowballed. A single champ was. There is a difference between 1 player being fed and 4-5 being fed. This was a stalled out 1v5. Any kills the others on his team got were purely leeched off him. OUR team was fed, not his. Notice the 4/14 Xayah?

And no other champ snowballs like THIS. The Teemo had 32 DH stacks, and did more damage than Nasus. Doesn't mean shit because DH doesn't scale like this. Sion would have melted in this game, and his HP doesn't scale anywhere like this damage. Veigar could not scale like this.

And there's a difference between a no-kill fed champion and a kill fed champion. Nasus early game didn't have kills. Yorick was playing safe, and I actually killed Nasus. All his kills are pretty much after the 30 minute mark. You're basically arguing that a champ that snowballs off minions is equal in effort to a champion who snowballs off kills/champ contribution.

Doge2020Feb 26, 20192 votes

And yes I do read the posts I reply to, I also read every single damn comment on this post to understand the argument better and to see what everybody else’s opinions were. All I did was give you helpful suggestions on what you and your team can do to beat a fed nasus or just a nasus in general.

You are morgana you have plenty of ways to help your team contain the nasus and easily beat him. And a suggestion: Vayne is a very good tank/high hp champ shredder, to and have your ADC (if nasus picks before your adc) play Vayne and have your team CC chain him hard if he gets ahead.

I’m sorry bud but even if the buff got reverted Nasus would still be one shooting you, or very close to a one shot, in this scenario that you described. All that happened is that he got fed as fuck and took advantage of his lead to snowball more and win the game, this strategy is seen in almost every single game and can happen on basically every single champion.

IllabetheFeb 26, 20191 votes

Then you DIDN'T READ. I was snaring him. I was R-ing him. I was not dying (yet). He had enough Tenacity for most of the game to shrug it right off. If I Q'd him, it lasted literally .7 seconds. If I R'd him, the stun was almost immediately off.

And no. He wouldn't, because he wouldn't be snowballing like that. Before the buff, the worst a Nasus got was about 600 stacks in 50 minutes. A perfect Nasus was only about 140 in 10 minutes.

I know how to beat Nasus. I've been playing since Season 3. This was not Season 3-8 Nasus.

You're basically defending one of the strongest tanks in the game also being the highest damage dealer in the game.

hrooza dota Feb 25, 20194 votes

nasus is at 50% winrate and a mere 3% use rate....

you used stat to say morgana need a buff but will use nit picking of someone having a good game as a reason to not buff/nerf nasus?

IllabetheFeb 25, 20191 votes

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Nasus/

You're wrong.

And no. This isn't a good game. This is a game where the laner he was against didn't die at all, but still allowed him 240 stacks in 10 minutes, 600 stacks in 22 minutes, 2100 stacks by the ed of game..

The game lasted 57 MINUTES. We were actually stalling him out. We were slaughtering his team. But..... we couldn't finish soley because of HIM. No one could CC him at all. No one could kill him, because 2000+ stacks meant even with grievous wounds, he could life steal out. No one could outrun him, because we both couldn't CC AND couldn't outrun item 3800 item 3078 .

There was no win compromise even on the table. This wasn't a situation of "My team did bad so he won." It's a situation of a fully abused mechanic allowing him to win even when his team was doing bad.

hrooza dota Feb 26, 20194 votes

will no https://www.op.gg/champion/nasus/statistics/top im not wrong.

i just used a diff website also as other stated nasus can stack of minions (and i think all kind of ability minions) so the other standing like a lamp in lane is pretty much a free lane for nasus.

and ya you just explained why its a good game for nasus , if you cant finish fast vs an unlimited scaling champion with a free lane for him as will then thats pretty much what a good game means.

IllabetheFeb 26, 20191 votes

Except op.gg has poor game rate/champ statistics and has been known to be wrong for about 2-3 years... It only excels in tracking individual accounts.

hrooza dota Feb 26, 20192 votes

will i did not use your website but susan is Bronze Tier / D Tier / Weak in there...

Doge2020Feb 26, 20194 votes

I checked on U.GG a little bit ago (like a few days ago) and I saw nasus in around the number 10th to 5 slot and with a B rating. But I think that mainly had to do with me using a filter option to show only top lane and his rating in silver.

And as a nasus player I can confirm how true everything everybody said, and your comment about Nasus being in the lower tier area, as true. He is absolutely horrible when the enemy team has a fed ranged champ that can kite and/or teammates that can help peel for her.