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PSA to people that don't play jungle or tank

DeloricVI··2 votes·454 views

Please don't blame me for not ganking for you. 99% chance, there's a reason that I didn't gank for you.

Seriously, last night, I had a team that was just terrible and treated the jungler (me) like shit and blamed me for losing the game, even though they were just shit. So, this is a game where top fed a kill to Rengar at 3 minutes in. I was clearing my third jungle camp and I was like "Dafuq, m8!?" Meanwhile, my adc picked Jayce instead of a NORMAL ADC, but he was with Morgana. So, you could see why I thought he was in good hands. Apparently not.

Because 5 minutes in, I hear Jayce star arguing with Morg in group chat after he got killed. Seriously. How do you play Morg so badly that your ADC complains!? Then she asks me for ganks when I'm up in top lane, because apparently this Trynd needs a fucking babysitter so he doesn't feed 20 kills before we can even think about surrendering. Then, complains when I don't gank for them after I back because they pushed the lane to tower.

What the fuck!? Who wants to try to gank bot when the minions are attacking the enemy's tower, and they have blitz and cait?? Fucking no one, that's who. That is, unless you have no concept of how to jungle.

Also, can everyone please realize that it's not my job to babysit your lane. My job is to secure objects. Sometimes, yes, that requires me to stop by and fuck shit up, but that's not all I'm around for. My job is not to gank; it is just something that I do so my team doesn't feed, thus making my job harder, because I deal damage to towers very slowly.

So, because of this prevailing mentality, you end up with a situation where top (Tryndamere, remember) goes 0/7 by 20 minutes (Imagine how much worse it would be if I didn't help him out?), bot feeds, and mid only does mildly well, but I get blamed for everything.

And, can I go on a side-note here? How the FUCK do you go 0/7 as TRYNDAMERE? Or, at the very least, do that and take no more than ONE TOWER. He is a split pushing, super-sustaining, damage-ignoring son of a bitch with crit chance and attack speed out the ass. How the fuck do you not do well???

And how you going to have a bad game in bot with Morg???? Her root lasts for a bajilion fucking years, has a wide hitbox, and hits like a fucking truck!? Not to mention, you have your cop out bitch shield that makes a target immune to cc. Not to mention you have natural spell vamp, so you're actively sustaining yourself of your enemies' pain and suffering. I don't care of your lane partner is going Jayce ADC. If you land your skill shots, your carry should be fed enough to 1v2 at, like... 10 minutes, so you can roam mid, fuck their day up, and I can babysit someone else.

idk, but seriously guys. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't expect the jungler to do everything, especially when you have no map awareness and clearly don't know how to play your role or champion.

And another thing, for people who only play assassins or mages: Don't say the tank sucks if it's 40 minutes in and he has the most deaths, unless he's been feeding since the 5 minute mark or something. Other than that, remember; as a tank his job is to take damage. If he initiates and you don't bring your damage to kill the enemy's damage, your tank is going to die. Also the case if you deal no damage because you fucking suck and should just stop playing squishy damage-dealing champions.

Some of the people in bronze, just....

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

8 Comments

Definitely Bait1 votes

It's part of being jungle. Our job is be where we can get the most objectives (Be it getting a lane fed, or bailing someone out). The perceived job is babysit everyone like your naruto and can be in all lanes at the same time.

If you don't respond to ganks and tunnel vision on cs while constantly staying at their side of the lane with no vision then a jungler will probably not gank for you.

As for botlane... so many games where they've fed an ad carry 3 - 5 kills and don't understand this sentence "I can't gank that without a roam from top or mid its too fed. Just lock it at your turret and farm"

In bad games it legitimately feels like I've got a cup of water and am trying to put out 3 bonfires. The tilt is happening hard and its growing.

Solo Josh1 votes

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DeloricVI1 votes

Because challenger players will look at a lane begging for ganks, and just ignore all of the reasons that they shouldn't gank a lane?

You really didn't think this argument through, did you? If there's a reason that this lane is bad for ganking... i.e. I'd probably end up wasting my time or dead if I tried, I should just gank it anyway? Dufuq?

Sir Yamazuki1 votes

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What the fuck!? Who wants to try to gank bot when the minions are attacking the enemy's tower, and they have blitz and cait?? Fucking no one, that's who. That is, unless you have no concept of how to jungle.

There's this lovely thing we call tower diving, if you want to jungle properly it's something you have to be comfortable doing and understanding when it's a good time to. There's nothing more annoying than having jungle being taken by someone else and they don't understand the basics of tower diving. Seeing as you had a Morg you could have easily dove as the shield would prevent cc and her Q would prevent enemy movement, and 6+ a Morg with ult up generally means free kills.

Definitely Bait2 votes

You realize at bronze / silver they don't follow up the dive and generally back out or outright ignore the free kill right? Your assuming awareness and follow up. Something that is deadly at the bronze level. The morgana generally isn't aware that she has shield and isn't generally going to hit the q. I've had this situation happen multiple times on tank junglers during the time when cinderhulk was strong. I'd take the dive and watch my full health full mana bot lane back out and let the blitz / cait literally cc + burst my Sejuani to death or near death rather than follow through with the easy dive .

Team tactics that require knowledge to be safe are not safe in bronze / silver. Any assumption of ability will generally turn out to be false. Bronze is bronze because to not be bronze you have to be smart enough to legitimately win the game. All three lanes will bull rush into obvious traps. Teammates will continually chase down the enemy to the other base rather than take a free tower with minions beating on it. There will be little or no vision aside from your own on the map. They won't rotate to do a baron into a inhib push after winning teamfights even if you ping spam it. Lanes will also tunnel vision on cs and not realize the jungler is dueling their laner. Basically anything that requires more than the most basic macro strategy, mechanics, or awareness can be assumed to be outside of this elo's skillset.

Bronze is literally all about the players themselves. Teams change. Trolls come and go. The player stays the same in every game. If you're not climbing be it fast or slow then that is a indicator of mass mistakes. Some games are nonredeemable. Most are literally just countless mistakes building up to a loss.

TLDR Bronze == Dirt and Everyone who is in bronze is there for a reason and needs to accept that and also play with the expectation that their team is also there for a reason. Those of us in the dirt can rise if we admit it and just start learning. Oh, and in a lot of cases mid to high silver elo does the same things as bronze just a little less often .

DeloricVI1 votes

I love this post, someone who understands how hard it is to be the jungler in low elo... And I'm in bronze 5 so I'm really scraping the bottom of the barrel. I learned my lesson; don't jungle until you're out of silver. I'ma just queue Mid-Top and destroy people with that lovable little sociopath, Teemo, if I don't get to destroy people with that lovable little megalomaniac, Veigar.

And for the record, I always assume that my teammates are going to play like bots, and the enemy team are diamond smurfs until they prove me otherwise. I'm just especially annoyed when my teammates live up to my expectations and I lose the game because I can't be everywhere at the same time, lol.

DeloricVI1 votes

By the time I made it back down bot in this case, Cait and Blitz were almost full HP. There was literally no reason to gank or tower dive.

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