katarina rework needs to be reverted

King of Mongoose·Jun 26, 2017·7 votes·1,969 views

katarina is too easy now

old katarina was harder

also i really want wardhopping back

basically get rid of these dumb daggers and add the old spinning w back

16 Comments

HalcyonDwellerJun 26, 20175 votes

Old Katarina had less counterplay, and the new one has more skill expression with planning for dagger placement and resets.

On those grounds, I disagree with your claim that she needs to be reverted.

Archlord AatroxJun 26, 20172 votes

^ agree with this statement 10,000%

SwiftKitten88Jun 30, 20172 votes

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Old Katarina had less counterplay, and the new one has more skill expression with planning for dagger placement and resets.

On those grounds, I disagree with your claim that she needs to be reverted.

explain to me her counterplay then

the old kat had a shunpo.. if she used it to dodge my skillshot she needed to either use her passive for a reset or wait the full duration by which time i had my skillshot up again and could hit her with it...

now... her shunpo has zero cooldown... and dont give me crap about throwing it toward a dagger.. all she has to do is NOT press it.

and they are only ever going to use the shunpo to dodge the skillshot or flat out skill me anyways.

its NEVER on cooldown

and this isnt just Nidalee .. ANY champ with a skillshot is completly screwed vs her because she is IMPOSSIBLE to hit if she plays correctly.

BEFORE her rework has had ONE shunpo. and if she used it she had to wait or get the reset...

HalcyonDwellerJun 30, 20171 votes

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explain to me her counterplay then

The delay in damage from picking up daggers offers opponents more time to see damage coming and position or escape accordingly.

the old kat had a shunpo.. if she used it to dodge my skillshot she needed to either use her passive for a reset or wait the full duration by which time i had my skillshot up again and could hit her with it...

now... her shunpo has zero cooldown... and dont give me crap about throwing it toward a dagger.. all she has to do is NOT press it.

and they are only ever going to use the shunpo to dodge the skillshot or flat out skill me anyways.

its NEVER on cooldown

and this isnt just .. ANY champ with a skillshot is completly screwed vs her because she is IMPOSSIBLE to hit if she plays correctly.

BEFORE her rework has had ONE shunpo. and if she used it she had to wait or get the reset...

The spammability of her shunpo with the daggers makes her more mobile, and thus more frustrating, yes. However she only gets one allied or enemy jump without the dagger resets, then she has to rely on a dagger reset in order to jump again.

Maybe you are right, that the ability to jump is just too diverse for her now for it to be on such a spammable reset. Maybe she should be limited to only jumping to daggers. I don't know what would be best here, but I certainly know that old katarina could just do way too much damage in way too short a time for opponents to react.

For these reasons, I would argue for another rework, not a revert.

Linna ExcelJun 30, 20171 votes

I think she needs better skill expression, but I'm really not fond of the new dagger system.

HalcyonDwellerJun 30, 20171 votes

That's respectable. But I think that any added skill expression should not be at the expense of counterplay for her opponents.

SwiftKitten88Jun 26, 20174 votes

i much as i despise agreeing with this person.. i actually feel he is correct... at least that "she needs to be reverted".

i don't feel the old one was harder, but it certainly felt a LOT less "op"

old Katarina was MUCH easier to deal with. she had one shunpo.... until she either got an assist or kill or she waited the cooldown.

ĘsdeathJun 30, 20172 votes

Sorry, let me ask you something: Let's consider you pick Vayne and you actually know how to play with her (not sure if you know or not) really good, and you go against any kind of opponent - Around mid-late game, you start one-shotting everybody because nobody cares about tanking neither focusing you - Is it a champion problem or their team's problem?

The new kat has the same reference - The old katarina was easy to deal with, because she had no mechanics whatsoever, simply Q E W and if you were to survive she would simply die because she would get no Voracity Resets - The primary AIM of her rework was to FIX THIS ISSUE at the same time giving you the chance to counterplay her. And no, she is still easy to deal with - Lock her down, set up magic resist and you will see if she is easy or not to deal with.

This should come in B because you seriously don't seem to understand the meaning of Assassin - You are supposed to be capable to get in and out of teamfights and have a getaway tool in case of anything wrong happens there. Ahri - R | Fizz - E | ZED: R [if he ulted] or W | Shaco: Q or R | Ekko: R [or W, if you manage it right] | Akali: W or R | Diana: Pretty much her shield and R should fix anything.| As you can see, any champion marked with Assassin as first class has a getaway tool - Katarina is somebody that uses E to close in on target, therefore, she needs that same tool to get out - Depending on her passive is something ridiculous

And to everybody that keeps asking to revert her rework - It has been 9 months, don't expect it to change.

FacerollKatarinaJun 26, 20173 votes

Old katarina was far easier than new katarina lol

Gloom ShroomJun 27, 20172 votes

They actually like doubled her skill floor and ceiling with the rework. Now she has to position herself around her daggers, before she was a low elo pubstomper that smashed her keyboard to get ult resets.

SwiftKitten88Jun 30, 20172 votes

.....i dont understand the meaning of assasin...

my main has been an assasin since season 4...

i think i understand what assassins do...

you want to know why nidalee ISN'T an assasin anymore...

becuase she no longer HAS any way to escape... they effectively REMOVED her pounce reset until she reaches lvl 16 by which time its late game and nidalee becomes trash anyways

kat ALWAYS had an escape... in per passive resets it just required her to actually be SUCCESSFUL

she could EASILY get in and out after killing someone or even in ASSISTING a kill.

now how do u deal with kat?

if you an ADC fine.. maybe u can right click...

what if your a different assasin

what if you a squishy champ that relies on skillshots..

you CANNOT hit a kat with skillshots if they play correctly

at least the old kat had ONE shunpo... and if she used it she HAD to use her passive to get a kill or wait out the duration..

it allowed you to bait it out... the new one.. she can just dodge skillshot left and right.

her shunpo effectively had zero cooldown THAT is the issue with her

her rework completly fucks over ANY champ who relies on a skillshot.

it was already hard enough to hit her BEFORE her rework... now it just flat out impossible...