Can we talk about how the level of fun has dropped…

Moonfall Saber · 2019-02-25T14:30:09.996Z

This isn't a problem that happened overnight. This is a problem that has been growing since season 4 ended. Season 5 introduced devourer and the game went downhill from there. I personally think that the toxicity environment of this game is most likely caused by problems with lack of correct balancing and unbalanced matchmaking as a whole system. I'm not going to get into this because everyone has mixed views on balance, however I think that the vast majority can agree with me when I say that the current balance is poop. The road to recovery from this point is long or impossible. So what do we do from here? From a player prospective the game has lost its meaning... Fun. From a development standpoint the numbers on paper may look good. If profits are high then the game must be doing good however this may not be the case. You can't look at a peice of paper that says people are enjoying the game. I personally would be more likely to buy skins and such of I knew I was going to be playing league for a long time, however I have been teetering on the edge of quitting for a while now. I'm sure other players feel similar. Riot I am asking someone from your ranks to step up and address these concerns. I am asking just simply... Do you ever plan on balancing the game? Do you care about the players anymore? Or has riot itself become a toxic workplace where you are not allowed to stand up for fear of backlash or getting fired. Someone from riot please step up to the plate because currently the company is failing the players and I demand someone step up for the sake of the game.

Moonfall SaberFeb 25, 201910 votes

So at some point when the majority of the players are not happy with the game is it the game or the players.

NoDiscussionFeb 25, 20197 votes

Toxicity is definitely rising, I don't think there's any doubt about it, but the cause is very speculative. I've seen various people on these boards suggest that different updates caused it but honestly, it's just the players and Riot themselves who choose to promote it.

The whole honor and reform system has been a complete joke and while the statistics on it might make it seem like toxicity is decreasing, in reality it's just getting worse. All the statistics really say is less players are getting punished because toxic players are getting away with more and more.

xDogMeatxFeb 25, 201917 votes

i think its the runes reforged that changed our view. Personal opinion not fact

ricksonBYarmbar0Feb 25, 20191 votes

So you would rather have the runes and have new players struggle till lvl 30 so that they can be competitive in the game?

3TWarriorFeb 25, 201917 votes

literally all that was asked for to change the old system was to make runes free. Masteries were already powerful enough and runes reforged made them even stronger...

take a look at kleptomancy...in what way is it a good idea that you can randomly receive between 15 and 120 gold for landing an auto attack?

xDogMeatxFeb 25, 20193 votes

klepto is just bandit buffed beyond reasoning.

DarwinTheoryFeb 25, 201915 votes

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The nostalgia goggles are strong.

The game is not less fun than before, you just get tired of it. Toxicity hasn't risen, in fact it's getting better every year, but you've become fed up with it.

The problem is not the game, it's your relationship with and view on the game.

Disagree.

The game used to be more thematic. You picked the cool champion you liked and could tailor your builds and runes over long games giving diversity and fun.

Now you pick the PEW PEW OP champeens and go pawn noobs in stomp a thons.

MrWasjigFeb 25, 20193 votes

Don't know what sort of happy rainbow funland you're living in, but it's certainly not better. It's as bad as it's ever been. People are assholes, through and through. I came back to this game a few weeks ago following a two year gap after quitting. Everyone is as big a cu-nt now as they were then.

ŚhunpoFeb 26, 20195 votes

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The nostalgia goggles are strong.

The game is not less fun than before, you just get tired of it. Toxicity hasn't risen, in fact it's getting better every year, but you've become fed up with it.

The problem is not the game, it's your relationship with and view on the game.

Toxicity is getting better every year? Damn, I guess that's why I have an inter or feeder in most of my ranked games, and why if I fuck up even once I'm hounded on by my team and told to quit the game and kill myself.

Oh, and then we get the players who refuse to listen to teammates and the players who just don't want to have any fun whatsoever.

I'm sorry, but toxicity is an even more rampant problem than it was back in I'd say, season 6 and even before then. Back then toxicity wasn't an issue every game, it was an issue in some games. I have yet to play a game atm where I'm not afraid to talk to my team out of fear of them deciding to int, run it down or just cause issues between themselves.

Same deal with fun, it's no fun being oneshot. I'd argue that this meta is a whole lot less fun than any other meta we've had, including previous tank metas. Let me put it this way, I'm an assassin player and I hate (emphasis on hate) this meta since it's quite literally Call of Duty. We went from Halo where you had time to react to Call of Duty where one rogue bullet takes you down to red. Call of Duty simply isn't fun to me, I'm a Halo kind of guy.

Reading and seeing that the opposing mage/ADC/bruiser/assassin just did 70% of your HP in 1-2 abilities/autos is not fun, nor is getting chain CC'd or killed due to being hit by ONE rogue CC ability. These two factors make this meta extremely anti-fun, and honestly, if you enjoy this meta you're the one with rose-tinted glasses on since you well and truly haven't been on the receiving end of this bullshitery.

Ah, and then there's the mobility problem, Riot's stubbornness to fix the problem at hand directly (despite the general community speaking out as to what is the problem), champs being reworked and losing their identity, the client being a buggy mess, leveling up being meaningless besides a little bit of blue essence, the game lacking a solid alternative to standard 5v5 since Riot refuses to implement alternative gamemodes.....and that's just scratching the surface.

As you can see there are quite a lot of significant issues which Riot refuses to address due to their insecurity with the game and the fact it isn't as profitable and due to their egos. Funny thing actually, they're increasing the price of RP, which I can almost 100% pin down to Riot understanding that the game isn't as profitable. Seriously, a 10% price increase for us Aussies, and we already have a dodgy $$$ to RP ratio due to our economy.

I still love the game and I'm very much addicted to it, however even I cannot just up and say that there is less toxicity and that its level of "fun" has not dropped dramatically due to devs. just not giving a care in the world anymore. Sure, I'm nostalgic to an extent, but that was also when we had devs. that communicated with us, devs. that cared, a community that wasn't a cesspool of toxicity and immaturity and when we had a game that felt different from everything else on the market. As said, I'm a Halo guy, Halo is arguably one of the most unique FPS games. There are reasons why I don't generally play Call of Duty and battle royale games, which is why I stick to Halo; a game that embraces its individuality from the other games on the market. League just generally feels like a battle royale or CoD now, you get shot once and you're dead or almost dead, only...you can't leave games and it's not a free-for-all (may as well be).

This game can still be saved, it's just Riot doesn't want to save it, they're hoping to piggyback off of other games on the marketplace and appeal to their audiences/playerbase.

With that said I do think that Riot should set up legacy servers that allow players to select which season they'd like to play in. That alone would silence most quarrels to do with League. Legitimately, set up legacy servers for each season and then don't touch anything balance wise. Boom, done. However, I suppose that's a dream since Riot knows if they do that the live servers will pail in comparison to the legacy servers.

There's my two cents on what you've said.

C0ndemnedFeb 26, 20192 votes

There is no problem about how we all view the game. Have you never hit uppon a bunc of players in your team or maybe in the enemy team that just start tipping in the chat "ez" or "too ez l2p" or stuff like "r%%%%% coming 2v1 with your jungler" and "kys". The guy just starts swearing like a mad man for no real reason. For this reason you should think that the ban system shoud work very good right, i mean how hard can it be your league bot verifies it and the player gets a chat ban or worse depending on how much flame he or she did and how bad was it. No the LoL banning system doesn't work correctly at all. Some 2 or 3 days ago i think, i've read a story here on the community on boards LoL NA or EU doesn't really matter, about a player that got banned just for playing speed and cleanse top, he didn't feed he had an ending score of 2/3 or something but in his team was a jungler that fed and left and a support that also did the same thing, what you think that happend to them, yes you are right, nothing. The only guy that managed to get banned was the top player that had speed and cleanse and why? Just because he had those summoner spells. So how Moe (Yassuo) says: "fix your shit riot or else player might just forget about the game and start playing more fortinite and apex and maybe even dota2"

GoldsmithSmartyFeb 26, 20192 votes

Toxicity has definitely risen, the player base is significantly larger than it was, hence a lot of schoolers play this game now. They don't yet understand that you should respect other people even if you don't see them in person. Sense of security behind the screen allows them to say absolutely anything they want without fear of punishment. If you play casually and don't really have a high rank, you are forced to play with younger people. I personally don't see it being a big problem, but it is sometimes really hard to communicate in game.

Mira Arya EntheFeb 27, 20191 votes

Nostalgia goggles. Aka something that is exaggerated, misunderstood and cannot actually apply psychologically in the way gamers use it to excuse bad changes. Easiest way to dismiss the shortcomings of multimillion dollar corporations.

Alongside the "It is old that is why sales dropped 21%!" Nonsense.

When games like WoW made good changes they beat old sales record. Then they made bad changes and it dropped again.

WolfeurFeb 27, 20191 votes

The fact that League is still one of the most relevant games nowadays both casually, competitively and in the streaming community indicates that mere popularity isn't the cause of its success. For a game to stay that strong that long, it has to have high quality. It's also surprising how everyone's favorite season is the one when they started playing, or the one after.

Mira Arya EntheFeb 27, 20191 votes

Once your product has enough name recognition you can stop providing quality or ruin your name with a lot of customers and still float on top for years. It took over a decade to kill Sonic sales as they put out games the fans didn't like. Granted they have regained some sales now that they put out a couple decent games. Point being you cannot crash an entire brand that easily. Especially nowadays when there are so many millions of potential customers. I hate how the game is now but have almost came back several times due to liking the brand and knowing people who play still.

Can we talk about how the level of fun has dropped dramatically and the level of toxicity has risen

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