Let's talk objectively about Ekko

AstroFerrari ··3 votes·546 views

Ekko The boy who shattered time. Has a nice ring to it huh? But let's take a closer look at his kit and how he works. He's supposed to be a Assassin/Fighter, yet has one of the slowest, if not the slowest burst of all assassins in this game. Why pick Ekko for Assassinating when you could just pick Ahri, Zed, or Talon? But, there are those who say "He's a skirmisher". On a champion whose purpose is to blow up squishies, I feel like I should be able to do more for my team than throw a W and a Q, MAYBE get my E in and what, ult out? Not to mention, most people with half a brain will never be caught by his W unless it's thrown from brush or they've been CC'd. His laning leaves so much to be desired, as he can be poked out by many go-to midlane champions. His basic attacks are too slow to truly synergize with his passive, making you need to proc it by landing your E and Q. His ult also needs more maneuverability. Let me compare to Zed's ult. Zed's ult also lets him become untargetable, and by pressing R again you can safely get away from your enemy or the enemy jungler after using it for a kill. You can see Ekko's ult all the time, and the only time the enemy may lose track of it is when they're fighting you. In addition to the mana you'll already use to kill with your other skills (and you better pray to god you at least landed part of your Q) ulting will usually leave Ekko OOM.

So what is the point of all this? I think Ekko needs to have work done on him. Not a rework, but maybe some tweeks here and there. Give his basic attacks better synergy with his passive. Make his W more practical in its use. As one of the newer champions, sitting at a 46% winrate doesn't speak to highly of his design. I really do like Ekko, but compared other champions in his role, he feels limited.

14 Comments

Abyssphere4 votes

Unfortunately I really think he's just a victim of bad design. Riot's vision with him was to make a champion where you basically were incapable of doing anything major without outplaying someone, but in exchange you get to do crazy stuff if you do outplay them like having a 2.25 second AOE stun.

The problem is that Ekko is an assassin that can't assassinate with any degree of reliability because they made him stupidly unreliable in exchange for giving him way more utility than any other assassin can claim to have. But at the end of the day if you're picking an assassin you want to be able to assassinate people and unreliable utility is completely unnecessary. He was broken on release because his numbers were so high that he could assassinate people reliably and on top of that his kit let him do a million other things, but when he was nerfed so that he had reasonable numbers he became almost useless. Pros built him tank in the jungle so he could use reliable power more (execute damage on auto attack, damage sponging) and Riot nerfed that because they wanted him to be an assassin, but it takes a lot more than high AP ratios to make someone an assassin.

Either he needs reworked to have more AOE damage/a more reliable stun so he can excel in team fights or he needs reworked so that he can actually be allowed to be a good 1v1 threat. Right now his kit sucks in team fights because most of his damage is single target but sucks in duels because he has a ton of power budget allocated to stuff that hardly helps him kill people.

AstroFerrari 2 votes

Couldn't have said it better myself. Really hoping he does get some changes to his kit in the upcoming season.

LankPants1 votes

a more reliable stun

Giving an assassin a stun, let alone a reliable one is a terrible idea. This is probably the main reason why Ekko's design failed so badly.

You can't just tack a Sej ult onto a burst champ, even if it's easily avoidable it creates a terrible champ to play against. It allows him utility that a champion with as much burst and mobility as him should not have access to.

Basically Ekko having a long duration AOE stun puts him into one of two categories, either he has damage and is overwhelming because of the shear amount of everything his kit brings or he lacks damage and is a tank. Making his CC more reliable just makes this problem worse.

charcharmunro2 votes

Sounds similar to Sion, in all honesty. MASSIVELY useful but incredibly unreliable if you're really bad with him.

Ralanr1 votes

Is that really do bad? Being reliable with such a champion shows that you are up in the skill ceiling of that champion.

Spoofghoul3 votes

Lets be honest ekko has the most oveloaded kit in league history

Waveclear check Dash check Blink check Aoe slow check Aoe stun check Shield check Singletarget slow check Single target nuke check Retarded speedboost check Percent health damage check Another blink check Massive heal check Massive aoe nuke check

There is like nothing ekko does not have . . .

His combined ap scaling are by far the highest in the entire game His base damage is decent Piles of utility

He might not burst as fast as rengar but his kit is 3 times more overloaded then lee sin's kit.

A Miss Fortune2 votes

Ekko's design is garbage because the only reason he's viable is because of how ridiculously overloaded his kit is. He doesn't do anything _ bad _ but he doesn't do anything that great either.

Riot went the wrong direction when they released him, instead of just flat out removing parts of his kit they kept nerfing each of them until they were extremely weak and the sole reason Ekko is still playable is because of how overstuffed his kit is.

AstroFerrari 1 votes

Comments like these just tell me you don't play him. Just because he has those things doesn't mean anyone with half a brain can use them. Most people on immobile champions on their worst day aren't getting caught by that W, no matter how overpowered you want to think it is. Same with his ult and his Q.

FioraWillCarry1 votes

Oh God, you people want Ekko buffed ? So me blowing all my CD and mana to kill you only to have you press R and have it like nothing happened and kill me on top of that is not enough ? Jesus Christ I hope this thread gets ignored. Ekko is bullshit in his current state. He needs a nerf if anything.

AstroFerrari 1 votes

From what you wrote here, I can tell you never actually played him. That cheesing he does with his ultimate is literally all he's good for. As an assassin pales in comparison (VASTLY) to other champions in his role.

FioraWillCarry1 votes

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From what you wrote here, I can tell you never actually played him. That cheesing he does with his ultimate is literally all he's good for. As an assassin pales in comparison (VASTLY) to other champions in his role.

I played him twice when he was free-week and fed my ass off. Not an easy champion to play no doubt. But when you face someone who knows this champ, he's just AIDS.

I used to think Ekko was manageable until I went up against a guy who actually knew how to play him well. I got the impression that he mained him or at least play a tonne of games with him. I never knew how oppressive Ekko could be in the right hands until that game. He's right alongside Fizz on my shitlist of Ebola level champs. I couldn't even farm under my tower against this guy, he just dove me at will and killed me anytime he wanted(after I fed him a twice though), something very few champs could do as effectively as Ekko because of his cheesy ult.

Also, his slow/stun can be insane in teamfights when used correctly. Most assassins don't bring that kind of utility to a teamfight, they're just there to catch a squishy out of place, kill them and get out.

BluePolarizer1 votes

He is good at running away but not much else because his numbers are terrible.

Orange Caramel1 votes

you are probably building full ap. You are supposed to build more like an ap fighter. If you are playing him full ap and DONT build lichbane and luden's as your first items you probably will not do as much damage as full ap would expect. I have a 65% winrate on ekko over 50 games in ranked so i think hes fine. (most of my games are with fighter ekko but i do have some full ap games) ALSO, zhonyas helps your w's reliability as well as your ult's reliability ALOT. Why do you think ekko has special quotes when he buys lich bane and zhonyas? cuz thats what your supposed to build on him, Not morellonomicon and deathcap like other aps.

xxxMadLionxxx1 votes

When he was released, I started maining him. I eventually got frustrated and stopped using him as he is so unreliable. His q is hard to use and takes a lot of mana. W only useful if target does not see you casting it. E has no damage unless you have lichbane. Ult while does insane damage is hard to land and they nerfed the aoe range.

The only reliable thing is his passive.

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