Find it funny how true supports make up a majority of the picks in nemisis draft

RedCyclone·Feb 13, 2015·55 votes·4,977 views

Taric Soraka Sona Lulu

every game

Wonder if Riot can see a connection with this and the health of the support class?

136 Comments

DreamLeviathanFeb 13, 201569 votes

It's probably a good indication of the PERCEPTION of support class. But when it comes to supports especially, community perception has a tendency of being wildly inaccurate.

TheTyeGuyFeb 13, 201530 votes

When it comes to MOST things, community perception has a tendency of being wildly inaccurate.

WullfFeb 13, 201514 votes

When it comes to community every tendency is wildly inaccurate

2pudge1cupFeb 14, 20156 votes

It isn't so much a perception thing as it is that most of those champs utterly suck outside of anywhere but supporting someone else. Therefore, if I'm running a solo lane I'd really want to be against a sona or a taric because my odds of winning would increase by a lot.

Meanwhile a lot of non-support champs can support. All they need to do is be strong early and not soak up much gold. Champs like TwistedFate Pantheon Gangplank Anivia Chogath Veigar etc. can support at least halfway respectably. But if you put most traditional supports in a solo lane they will get shat on by just about anyone.

Saying it's a perception issue really cheapens the actual problems out there.

Bodkins OddsFeb 14, 20151 votes

I believe the win rate of the all true support teams in Nemesis belies your argument.

2pudge1cupFeb 14, 20151 votes

Win rate of a game mode out a day versus years of empirical evidence when support champs solo lane... hmmm... what will we go with??

You can't be serious.

Bodkins OddsFeb 14, 20151 votes

None of their counters get picked in this game mode. The only reason they stay out of mid right now is that their counters are meta. And Soraka isn't even that bad versus a bunch of meta picks: Katarina Akali Zed Leblanc Silence OP.

Tin TarantinoFeb 14, 20151 votes

none of those champions have a silence anymore.

Bodkins OddsFeb 14, 20151 votes

I was referring to Soraka's silence.

Tin TarantinoFeb 14, 20151 votes

Ok, thought you meant lb

GnomeDigestFeb 13, 201519 votes

Considering Riot has spent years going out of their way to force support champions out of solo lanes its not a stretch to expect players to assume that forcing teams to have a bunch of support champions forced to take solo lanes would be a hurting your opponent.

However results of a nemesis draft game really tells us nothing about any champions viability.

qetzelFeb 13, 20153 votes

Lulu is still fine in a solo lane. Despite having won several professional games, Riot haven't nerfed her any further because she is now healthy in a solo lane. Soraka, Taric and Janna were not.

GnomeDigestFeb 13, 20155 votes

While I disagree with you and Riot that those champs were so unhealthy in a solo lane that has little to do with the point I was making.

FACT: Riot has nerfed all supports that have effectively taken solo lanes, including Lulu. All but Lulu were effectively driven out of solo lanes.

Therefor my point stands. Makes sense that people would assume that forcing enemies to lane champs poorly suited for solo lanes would give them a better chance to win.

Yandere CarryFeb 13, 201514 votes

its because they are damage amplifiers.... they enhance the capabilities of dps champs... if you have no dps champs well.... 0 x 100 = 0.

Same with tanks.

NaharaFeb 13, 20154 votes

Unless you face an ADC Lulu ...

WullfFeb 13, 20153 votes

APC lulu is hella strong.

ConnceptFeb 13, 201513 votes

And simultaneously no one EVER gives the enemy team an ADC.

GorbacheFeb 13, 20158 votes

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And simultaneously no one EVER gives the enemy team an ADC.

Until someone does and then your team gets destroyed by the ADC ;)

JJI744Feb 13, 201511 votes

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Until someone does and then your team gets destroyed by the ADC ;)

Hm. Giving the enemy team an ADC is probably a bad idea. Giving them 5 is amazingly funny. Turns out 5 backline fighters with zero frontline is a really really aweful teamcomp. Especially when all 5 are AA reliant and thornmail exists.

Would not recommend giving Vayne/Kog though. The Kog'Maw in my last match made things difficult, even if the other 4 ADCs basically couldn't do anything through FH/Randuins/Thornmail/Ninja Tabis.

WhiteFireOCNFeb 13, 201512 votes

Giving the enemy team 5 ADCs is absolutely hilarious.

I managed to persuade my teammates to give the enemy team MF, Twitch, Graves, Corki and Sivir.

Just buy a thornmail, and collect your free win. I didn't even die that game

Jesus is SaviorFeb 13, 20152 votes

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Hm. Giving the enemy team an ADC is probably a bad idea. Giving them 5 is amazingly funny. Turns out 5 backline fighters with zero frontline is a really really aweful teamcomp. Especially when all 5 are AA reliant and thornmail exists.

Would not recommend giving Vayne/Kog though. The Kog'Maw in my last match made things difficult, even if the other 4 ADCs basically couldn't do anything through FH/Randuins/Thornmail/Ninja Tabis.

Vayne is the worst one, since she can built complete tank and still do her % max hp true damage. She wouldn't be bad on the front line.

DecritFeb 13, 20159 votes

Actually they predicted that by a long shot... Also because supports are, you know... supports. They tend to support usually.

4nth0l0gyFeb 13, 20158 votes

The real trick is to pick shitty junglers. Hi Evelynn , Elise . Thanks for contributing nothing.

GummyBearWookieeFeb 13, 201515 votes

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The real trick is to pick shitty junglers. Hi , . Thanks for contributing nothing.

Why would you even pick someone who is technically capable of jungling? Picking an Eve/Elise is leaps and bounds better than forcing someone to jungle with a Blitzcrank.

4nth0l0gyFeb 13, 20151 votes

Not if you pick an entire team of junglers. Elise Shyvana Evelynn XinZhao and maybe like a Mordekaiser for absolute immobility. I'll take 5 supports with AP scaling over that any day. Hello lane bully sona/janna.

Potato DocFeb 13, 20153 votes

I laugh at the fact that you think mordekaiser would be a good idea to give to the enemy team

SammystormFeb 13, 20152 votes

It is a good idea. All the champions with a low play rate and low mobility tend to be good choices.

Potato DocFeb 13, 20153 votes

Well I was meaning I laugh because hes one of the people who give me mordekaiser, and in turn I go 7/2/1 as mordekaiser by 20 mins and the enemy team surrenders.

Tin TarantinoFeb 14, 20151 votes

Someone gave me Yorick the other day, that was ill advised as well.

Only Play DariusFeb 13, 20153 votes

At this point Blitzcrank could probably jungle better than Evelynn .

Eve cannot clear second camp without dying, if she doesn't get a first blood off early gank then she spends the rest of the game returning to base after 2 camps.

My sustain has been higher with Jinx .

Rinky DinkyFeb 13, 20158 votes

This is only true if you have no idea what you are doing

évyFeb 13, 20152 votes

are you drunk... ive dedicated like 100 games to eve post nerf trying to figure out how to get her to work... you have to get first blood or your jg is fucked

RikoZerameFeb 13, 20155 votes

And I haven't had a problem with her since I started going AD. Even without that, Jelly Mac's idea that she can't even clear two camps is absolutely wrong. Not just an exaggeration: wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxij1OwMUDY

FoggyPawsFeb 13, 20153 votes

seriously? get better runes/masteries

Rinky DinkyFeb 13, 20152 votes

Elise is not bad. Like, at all,

She is even seeing competitive play lmao

Shit Eve isnt bad either, people just have no idea what they are doing.

CindikleFeb 13, 201520 votes

Every game I've seen Eve, she's done very well.

BudupopsFeb 13, 20157 votes

well when your against jungle urgot what do you expect

Tentacle LoveFeb 13, 20158 votes

An all support team would utterly and completely destroy an all adc team.

LythaliaFeb 13, 20157 votes

If I want Nemesis draft/unbalanced teams I'll just ARAM. ._.

Radnar the boldFeb 13, 20157 votes

idk why people think supports are weak, last nite i had a team of leano, soraka, nami, sona, and zac and we won every team fight against their tanky team. Supports are powerful and no one puts lulu in a corner

Pvt PrinnyFeb 13, 20155 votes

I love how you guys still look down on Janna and Soraka. these two can make any burst team or gap closer team useless. it's hilarious whenever I see a runner or jumper going straight toward a Janna and then being removed from the whole fight in the blink of an eye, having to run back into it without any movement or blink, since he used it beforehand. Or a leona trying to E Janna's ADC... never getting to the ADC and staying high in the air for too long to be of any use. It is hilarious, really. Soraka? Have you guys seen her ratios yet? Or her heal' CD? Sure it cost her health... A Soraka can still heal fully with 1 or 2 Q after using heal three time within 10 seconds, meaning double full heal for her and her target. In a team fight, she excels far beyond, about the same as Sona. Mass Silence+snare and mass slow. People talk about Sona being OP heale AND burst. Yet they have no idea why they can never get close to a team with Janna and/or Soraka protecting them. the three Boo... I mean, the three star support you guys looks down on are actually the three strongest team champ to ever be born on League of Legends. Outclassing even tresh, taric, Leona and even Braum by far. Did you know you could stop all of they dash/disable with just a single spell that cost near to nothing? Janna's tornado cancel all dash or jumps, Soraka's Silence can wipe any threat and if followed by Q she instantly turn a trade in her favor. Sona can make any trade feel so painfull, she will strike fear into the enemy team, making them focus her or plainly run away.

I have yet to see a game where any of these three are in, and their team lose by a landslide. it's always a win, or a very close call... or an absolute madfest of idiotics morons that surrender when they win.

League of Mobility? COuntered by Janna. League of Burst? Countered by Soraka and Sona. League of OP Adc? Countered by all 3 boo... i mean, Stars. Try them out with the intent to win, you'll see a huge difference from when you tried them with a stupid mindset like "oh no, I hate doing nothing as support". ...OR! you could keep giving me Janna in Nemesis and wonder why you can't even hit a single person or turret.

BarbieJesusFeb 13, 20155 votes

AD Soraka.

Win game.

Linna ExcelFeb 13, 20154 votes

Supports are meant to be multipliers so if you are multiplying zero...

As I see it, there's only 2 ways supports will ever be a real class. One is if LOL adapt's SOADA's csing mechanic where all creeps have a pool of half their value that they give on death if you don't get the last hit. Supports can tag a creep and still get half a CS. Option B is to double the number of creeps in bot lane to the point if the ADC one one side doesn't share, the creeps will push the lane hard and there will be nothing the jungler can do to save the lane.

I don't think people would like option B.

FrikgeekFeb 13, 20156 votes

If we went by option B people would stop going adc bot and go for waveclear machines that can solo those big waves and get superfarmed in 10 mins. You'd still have a 0cs support.

MrSexyHoboFeb 14, 20152 votes

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If we went by option B people would stop going adc bot and go for waveclear machines that can solo those big waves and get superfarmed in 10 mins. You'd still have a 0cs support.

i was thinking beefy hydra champs who can survive a dive. wukong with sunfire and hydra into cleaver would be nasty. maybe a velkoz with 400 farm by 20 min. would be awesome

KingsgraveFeb 13, 20154 votes

Most games that I have to face those characters we outright lose

gubigubiFeb 13, 20154 votes

Its because people feel if you give the enemy team all supports they wont be able to take objectives or kill anyone 1v1. However I would glady pick all 4 of those into any match up and feel confident I can make an impact on the game with them.

Extreme TrollerFeb 13, 20153 votes

you must be intelligent if you find it funny. Anyone in bronze 3 or more could predict it.

unban swiftyFeb 14, 20151 votes

Because a team of all supports doesn't win.. it makes sense. "we'll support eachother while getting supported" they do no damage for a reason.

junglerboy16Feb 14, 20152 votes

Taric does a buttload of damage, literally and metaphorically. Stack armor and buy item 3025 . Profit, while being the tankiest carry you've ever seen.