Why is trist a burst adc with 2 escapes

Moonfall Saber·Oct 22, 2017·59 votes·2,558 views

Oh your close to me Ill just rocket jump away Oh you flashed? buster shot. Oh and now you have an explosive charge on you and your gonna die. Have a nice day

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Critmaster GarenOct 22, 201721 votes

dont forget that her w resets when her e explodes with 4 stacks.

Chembaron YamadaOct 22, 201718 votes

Because getting resets on takedowns isn't enough....

Death by GlamourOct 23, 20174 votes

You learn something new every day

JackMcSnipeyzOct 22, 201720 votes

She isnt a burst adc, nothing about her is burst. The reset is stupid tho, no denying that, it needs to be removed.

JbelsOct 22, 201720 votes

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She isnt a burst adc, nothing about her is burst. The reset is stupid tho, no denying that, it needs to be removed.

Every ADC with enough items is a burst ADC.

JackMcSnipeyzOct 22, 20178 votes

Every squishy with no defensive item will get 1 shot, including adc. Just like you expect adc to blow up in a 1v1 when you build damage, i expect assassins and mages to blow up if they build pure damage. The only real exceptional burst is IE+shiv combo, which i agree shuold be nerfed

wildfox99Oct 22, 20177 votes

Every squishy with no defensive item will get 1 shot, including adc.

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Chembaron YamadaOct 22, 20179 votes

Except that it wasn't Kog'Maw surviving on himself, he was stunlocked in that situation the whole time.

What kept him alive were Janna (shield, heal and peel) and Galio (MR from his ult, shield from locket, peel).

Kog did survive because they throw every defense their team had on him. If they would do the same to (for example) an Orianna, she would survive as well.

wildfox99Oct 22, 20174 votes

Just like you expect adc to blow up in a 1v1 when you build damage, i expect assassins and mages to blow up if they build pure damage.

but mage and assassin are supposed to stop ADCs,if they can 1vs1 the class which is supposed to stop them who can do it? a burst champion shouuld win easily aganist an ADC

If they would do the same to (for example) an Orianna, she would survive as well.

yes but ADCs have an insane damange compared with orianna or other mages (which can still miss their damange),and many of them (like Tristana , Vayne ) have an insane escape,don't forget then that an ADC can freely build those item item 3156 item 3022 item 3026 item 3091 item 3139 item 3812 item 3071 item 3072 and still deal tons of damange while they can't get OS,and if he have an enchanter support their tank will be easier to kill

KaìjuOct 23, 20171 votes

To be fair very few Makrsmen get Mallet and I think Kog is the only one who gets Wits End. All the other stuff you're very spot on about and I agree.

NineTailedMysticOct 23, 20173 votes

I don't know man, a no defensive item squishy didn't get oneshot.

Red WreckageOct 23, 20171 votes

did you even read OP?

trist gets to rocket jump away, then push a threat away with her ult, flash/heal is even more safety...while being a burst ADC and is also RANGED.

If a no def item Yi gets caught out of position, he dies. shti like trist/vayne doesnt care

JackMcSnipeyzOct 23, 20171 votes

Did you read what i replied to? Tristana isnt burst adc, all her damage deleyed and needs ramp time, unlike lets say Jhin's or Varus who have their damage more front loaded into their abilities. If you also read my reply, you would see i agree that her jump reset is stupid and should be removed. So stop your selective reading and try to understand what i was saying, tristana is not a burst adc, yes her reset are stupid, yes IE+SS is a stupid strong combo but it's not champ specific since it effects the entire marksman class as a whole.

So please, read my reply again, maybe you'll get my point after you read it a 2nd time without blindly hating anyone who doesnt say "OMG ADC OP 1 SHOT ME LEVEL 1"

ZedexOct 23, 20171 votes

Sounds like you don't know how to build defensive items. Either that or you only play mages/assassins.

JbelsOct 24, 20171 votes

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Sounds like you don't know how to build defensive items. Either that or you only play mages/assassins.

...................So......so I don't have to take you seriously right? Like, at all? I'm a tank main. I don't die in 4 autos, but I have legit watched ADCs with 3 items walk up to another damage dealing champion and kill them in 4 autos. Considering at 3 items most people should have around 1400 to 1600 health from runes and/or level ups, I call that burst per second.

wildfox99Oct 22, 20174 votes

actually ADCs dps is like a mage burst but every second

ThefrostyvikingOct 22, 20172 votes

There ain't no marksman that can match a mage's burst in a 1,5 - 2 seconds count except maybe Draven with static shiv.

And it can't be Syndra or veigar.

NineTailedMysticOct 23, 20173 votes

Except Marksmen can't miss or have a failure condition.

ThefrostyvikingOct 23, 20172 votes

True, but mages will have a EXP lead and often a item lead as well all the way until the lategame.

And marksmen usually have less range than mages, or less mobility.

There is no marksman that has everything, except maybe twitch.

And while some like trist are frustrating there were some people that actually linked sites that pointed out that Trist usually averages on lower damage among the currently played marksmen.

While those like kog, varus and Vayne are way higher up.

Then as for my personal experiences in the midlane, as long as the enemy doesn't have a Janna or Soraka then it's usually easy to carry games as long as enemy team doesn't get too fed. If they do have a Janna or raka however things will get messy and annoying.

TwitchInMyPantsOct 22, 20175 votes

Early game, no

Later on when she has AD and crit? E + 2-3 autos in 1s is usually enough for a strong trade, and R can be used to add to it if its around a point where she can kill. Her E is delayed but saying its not burst is like saying Karthus R isn't burst.

Honestly I'm fine with ADCs being allowed to dps and burst, but they shouldn't be great at both or if they are they should have major weaknesses. Trist's delay on E and a few interruptable frames on W is about as much weakness as you'll get.

FairyfleurOct 22, 20174 votes

Her reset was okay when Tristana was garbage, just nerf her itemization.

CatastropOct 22, 201714 votes

ITT, we want to nerf a champion who hasn't gotten any substantial changes for more than a year, and who is only strong because of the meta shifting and indirect changes around her. That way when Riot does address those changes and the meta shifts, she'll be even worse garbage than she was before.

These Boards are a joke when it comes to balance.

wildfox99Oct 22, 20176 votes

These Boards are a joke when it comes to balance.

not only these,but generally lol players

Spank the FoxOct 22, 20172 votes

I don't see nearly as much BS on Reddit as I do in every thread I open here.

ZedexOct 23, 20171 votes

Yeah, thats because Reddit posts all get downvoted if they're not a pro player talking about Balance.

Most of the time, the top LoLSubreddit posts are memes, pro highlights, stream highlights, or more memes.

SalsonOct 22, 201711 votes

Some champions are more item dependant than others.

Tristana is very item dependant, and as Crit items are currently broken so is she. To be precise she is THE RFC+Shiv abuser.

She would sipmly go back in line if Rito nefred Crit items, as such she doesn't really need nerfs.

kalima994Oct 22, 201713 votes

Funny how she's pretty strong early game...

DracosKasuOct 22, 20172 votes

She was alway strong during early since her rework but use to have a not so good mid game. Today, the mid game is now the endgame so Trist lose her weak lane phase. Thx to ardent, shiv and crit change.

SpecterVonBarenOct 22, 20172 votes

Because all the early game ADC's got nerfed?

PB4UAMEOct 23, 20172 votes

Then why is she also still strong relative to every other champion in the game that didn't get nerfed?

It's almost like fucking every adc is across the entire goddamn board way too strong at all points in the game, or something. I mean, really, compared to other damage classes, what exactly are their tradeoffs for the damage, consistency, range, self peel, and lack of any significant costs at any point in the game, on top of the best scaling in the game, and the most gold efficient itemization?

Spank the FoxOct 22, 20172 votes

Bring out Kalista and we'll show you what a real strong early game looks like.

kalima994Oct 23, 20171 votes

Too bad, if tristana doesn't go full retard kalista can't do anything to her

Spank the FoxOct 23, 20173 votes

Kalista will absolutely shit on her in lane all the way til late midgame, which should be easy enough to close out before Trist is relevant again.

MhihnjOct 22, 20179 votes

She's always had that though and she wasn't even considered good until recently. The fact that She is strong is likely due to items or her counters being nerfed.

FeathermaneOct 22, 201714 votes

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She's always had that though and she wasn't even considered good until recently. The fact that She is strong is likely due to items or her counters being nerfed.

She was not popular. She was always good. That kit is problematic.

blackrose78Oct 22, 20174 votes

she wasn't popular and she definitely was not always good. in fact she was horrendously bad "becuz kit". And there's that word again... "problematic". It's the word used when you dont actually know wtf youre talking about but you need to sound like you do.

FeathermaneOct 22, 20174 votes

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she wasn't popular and she definitely was not always good. in fact she was horrendously bad "becuz kit". And there's that word again... "problematic". It's the word used when you dont actually know wtf youre talking about but you need to sound like you do.

When was Tristana bad, especially horrendously bad? At her absolute worst, she was picked by pro players who were Trist specialists. That is not bad. That is better than most champions get. And yes, having the turret busting capability, a very good early/godlike late, knockback and escape is very flexible and her power budget distribution has to be closely monitored - hence problematic. I don't care to know about which words you don't like.

BoilTheOilOct 23, 20171 votes

Why would anybody complain about a champion if they aren't strong (besides yasuo)

RainfallOct 22, 20178 votes

because tristana pays for her mobility with damage,tristana deals the least damage compared to the rest of the popular adcs.

Moonfall SaberOct 22, 20173 votes

Not really. If she gets a bomb on you your dead

RainfallOct 22, 20177 votes

the statistics say otherwise,if you find statistics that support your argument then let me know.

Automated RivenOct 22, 20171 votes

Just curious. Considering that the burden of proof is on you, where are your statistics?

RainfallOct 22, 20176 votes

http://champion.gg/statistics/#/roleSort=ADC&sortBy=general.totalDamageDealtToChampions&order=descend?sortBy=general.totalDamageDealtToChampions&order=descend&roleSort=ADC here you go tristana ranks 13th out of 16 adcs on damage dealt.

Spank the FoxOct 22, 20171 votes

GGnoRE

PB4UAMEOct 23, 20172 votes

Does anyone else have a problem with how this data isn't normed and is incomparable to eachother without butchering statistics, or is that just me? I mean, it doesn't take an econometrist to realize you're comparing averages from different populations to eachother.

KnoyleOct 22, 20171 votes

If she hits the bomb, lands on you with W, hits all 4 to detonate and you literally have nothing defensive sure... maybe.

Takua NuvaOct 22, 20177 votes

and also push tower super fast item 3070 Sivir

ThefrostyvikingOct 22, 20172 votes

She can't freeze waves unlike sivir though, that is a pretty huge downside at times.

NyarlathοtepOct 22, 20176 votes

This hate for tris is really getting on my nerves. A good amount of patches ago, tris was one of the worst adc's in the game. And now she is broken. I mean for christ sake. You complain about her selpeel, which admittedly can be quite annoying. Though here's what she loses because of that self peel. Her q has big ass cd. Her w scales with ap and in order to use it on maximum capacity she has to endanger herself ( to proc the slow ). Her e marks a single target and the dmg radius is not that big, meaning she is quite low threat ( dmg wise ) in teamfights compared to others like jinx. Furthermore her e autopushes a lot ( this is a big reason as to why she has 2 escapes ) and the dmg scales with ap ( the passive one) . Her ulti is single target ( dmg wise ) and is most useful at 1v1 which late game acts like a mini stun ( and by that i mean that during the travel time the target travels with her ulti, she will hit him a couple more times ) .

Moreover she also pays a considerate amount of firepower when her q and e are on cd. Jinx, corki, lucian, vayne, mf and cait dont really have that kind of pay off. I mean they do lose dps ( most of them at least ) if they dont cast q or e but they dont lose that much compared to tris. So yeah there you have it.