Hard CCing Tahm Kench should make him spit out allies early.

I agree that this suggested change would be an extreme hit to his reliability, but what if instead damage and cc on Tahm while he was devouring someone (friend or enemy) would reduce the time he could hold them in? It would still make his devour a reliable save and damage source, but would give his opponents some sort of counter play.

This would be a bad change in my opinion. I've played quite a lot of Tahm being the support main that I am, and although some people will think that I'm biased towards him, I do know the champ and kit fairly better than plebs that just complain without having firsthand knowledge. Gameplay wise, it would make him less of a reliable source, spitting out immediately, when you can already CC him with an ally inside, and potentially get both as a double kill. And, thematically, why would a demon let loose something just for being stopped by spells? Kench doesn't seem like the silver-tongued fellow to let go of his quarry until they want out, so it just doesn't seem like a good idea for this interaction with hard CC

That's pretty much what I tell people, and I don't even use Tahm Kench. Now, maybe something like a percentage of his current health would be decent- but just hard CC? Naw, that's BS and would be far too extreme of a nerf.

How about limiting it to single-target CC, can't be THAT hard.

Because Thresh can't take an ally that's currently stunned and remove them from danger. You can also stand on Thresh's lantern to effectively remove it from play (you can't always do it, but often enough to warrant bringing up). You have no actual answer at all for Tahm's Devour on an ally: similarly, you have no answer at all for Kalista ulting her Oathsworn.

I wouldn't mind Tahm Kench if his devour had some form of counterplay, but it really doesn't. You don't want to CC the tank, so when you CC the squishy then the tank can just run in and save them for nothing. If you CC the tank, then the squishy gets to continue kicking your ass and Tahm succeeded anyway.

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The only thing this would actually accomplish is make Thresh with his lantern the number one pick again. I completely understand Tahm Kench can be frustrating to play against, but I don't understand how it's any different from what Thresh has been doing so far.

At least Thresh can be killed. Tahm is absurdly tanky.

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Or enemies.

"Counterplay" :^)

Riot believes in only though.

That is the whole point of his w in the first place. To save allies. They tried making that the case (what you stated) when testing out Tahm before release and the team working on Tahm didn't like it. You people want him to be a useless stun bot. He is meant to have his w to save people.

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This would ruin his kit and make him not fun at all to play... I have saved so many people with w even when cc, but that is what Tahm brings to a game. You have to play a bit differently with Tahm Kench in the game and that is exactly what Riot wanted. Tahm is my main top laner and he has so many weaknesses I don't know why people keep complaining about him.

If you are a ranged champion and vs Tahm, you should be able to kitte him easy. He is slow as hell and he wont be building attack speed. Stay behind minnions so he cant q, fight him when his w is down. FIGHT HIM WHEN HIS W IS DOWN. FIGHT HIM WHEN HIS W IS DOWN. W is so important to his kit I cant stress this enough. FIGHT HIM WHEN HIS W IS DOWN. And try to dodge those Qs.

His early game is horrible as well because most Tahm's don't get e until level 3 and all his damage comes when he hits level 6 (his passive damage from his ult). I assure you that if you all in a Tahm pre 6 and away from his turret so he cant spit you into it, you will win the trade, if not get him to burn flash or kill him.

So him not being broken would make him not fun to play at all? Guess that makes sense. His kit is very binary and boring. He's so straightforward that he should be easy to lane against, yet, for the majority of champs, its not. Your argument is rather poor.

Also, what Tahm wastes his W like what you're suggesting. His Q is fast enough that unless you're specific champs, dodging won't be reliable. "Just dodge the spears." Trying to duel him is basically asking for someone else to finish the job because you aren't getting away any time soon.

Tahm's base damages without his ult are pretty high already. His ult is a large part of what makes him broken. You saying his early game is weak is saying more about you than it is about him.

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This would ruin his kit and make him not fun at all to play... I have saved so many people with w even when cc, but that is what Tahm brings to a game. You have to play a bit differently with Tahm Kench in the game and that is exactly what Riot wanted. Tahm is my main top laner and he has so many weaknesses I don't know why people keep complaining about him.

If you are a ranged champion and vs Tahm, you should be able to kitte him easy. He is slow as hell and he wont be building attack speed. Stay behind minnions so he cant q, fight him when his w is down. FIGHT HIM WHEN HIS W IS DOWN. FIGHT HIM WHEN HIS W IS DOWN. W is so important to his kit I cant stress this enough. FIGHT HIM WHEN HIS W IS DOWN. And try to dodge those Qs.

His early game is horrible as well because most Tahm's don't get e until level 3 and all his damage comes when he hits level 6 (his passive damage from his ult). I assure you that if you all in a Tahm pre 6 and away from his turret so he cant spit you into it, you will win the trade, if not get him to burn flash or kill him.

These are all valid points.

Counterpoint: Tahm Kench DESTROYS pro teams. 80% win rate at Worlds. Pros rely so much on the one time their poke lands that having someone negate that ruins their game.

When Banshee Veil was destroying pro games it got its cooldown increased by 20 seconds.

Tahm is going to be nerfed. Sorry.

I've played against Tahm top, it wasn't that bad, actually. But when he's a support, which is where most people take him to my knowledge, he's a pain in the ass. If he's getting ganked he eats his ADC and runs away. If a team fight goes bad he eats whoever survives and runs off, and the cool down of his w isn't that bad from what I've experienced. I've waited it out on a bush, then after he uses it I go in for a gank and somehow he has it back up again.

I don't mind his damage, or his grey health or even his ability to either save a teammate from everything under the sun if they get caught out or take an enemy with his stacks on them out of a fight for a few seconds, but put all of it together and he's painful to play against. What the OP is asking for isn't that bad, it's just asking for him and his teammate to be punished if Tahm gets CC'd after he eats someone.

This. This change would just remove him from a support role and put him in a top/jg role.

If you ever see Tahm eat your team mate, blow up the adc. See tahm eat a minion? Blow up the adc. See tahm eat anything other then your priority target? blow that target up.

The CD limits it to essentially 1 devour per team fight, maybe 2 if its a real long, kite back and forth kind. But really you can mess that up real bad by trying to push a wave out or eating an enemy right before your team gets jumped on.

And with the incoming movement speed nerf to it that ability might already have been hit too hard.

The only problem is that I feel like this nerf would completely remove him from a support role. The whole point of a support is to come with some form of utility (usually a hard cc). I think the reason why Tahm is so strong right now is not because his kit is that incredibly strong (although very strong), but because people are so used to "focus the adc" that when Tahm shows up and you realise "oh shit I should have saved that cc for Tahm" he's already scooped up the stunned adc to live another day.

I mean take soraka for instance, you will lose in lane if you ignore her and try to focus down the adc, but you focus her and keep the adc exhausted/cc'ed? You will win the lane every time. If you take that mentality into a game against Tahm, he eats the adc, you stun him, he sits there with the adc screwed because he's stuck inside Tahm, Tahm eventually spits him out because he runs out of time, finish off the adc. You cause him to spit out the adc on CC command and all you've done is moved tahm from support to top/jg.