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Bjersgen (syndra) one shotting explanation?

sobi999·Jul 17, 2017·6 votes·591 views

Syndra was lvl 16 and kalista was lvl 15 They both had relatively the same amount of farm but syndra had 8/2/2 kda whereas kalista had 1/4/8

If we just look at their items 13,900g for syndra Kalista had 10,400g worth of items

Syndra build (8 stacks) Kalista build -

Kalista was first stunned and then W'd from 85/80 - 0%. Therefore no lifesteal for kalista as she wasn't AA. Just one W can kill with such difference? Notice that most of us complain about adc's 1-2 shotting with range but syndra did that with her W (range and aoe). I am pretty sure piglett (kalista) didn't expect that as well and was back at a safe distant. This is not healthy for the game if mages start one shotting from miles away ( I predominantly play mages).

Edit: Also if you notice piglet's reaction, he was certainly shocked. If a pro can get shocked then its not surprising that normal players get shocked too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhICM3KkYwo

Death occurs at 39:11 exactly.

19 Comments

MartyrofsandJul 18, 20176 votes

You missed a few things.

1--Kalista was hit by a stattik Shiv proc from Tristana that did around 200 damage to her.

2--Kalista was hit by Syndras E, this does damage.

3--Syndra then began casting her Q while throwing her W both hit at the same time.

So what you have is a fed Syndra who hit everything but her ult on Kalista who also took a little bit of extra damage from a Stattik shiv proc.

You can discuss if that should be the case or not but don't exaggerate what actually happened.

For reference...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgyF7iAf7fo

43:27--Stattik Shiv proc 43:30--Syndra lands her E 43:31--You can see the circle where Syndra is casting her Q 43:32--Syndra's Q and W lands at the same time finishing off and killing Kalista.

sobi999Jul 18, 20171 votes

I am actually trying my best to stay true to the statistics and have given as much information as i possibly could (except runes and masteries).

I specifically mentioned that Syndra does 85-80 % damage and that was after taking into account her E and the static shiv proc. She only uses her W because you could only see one sphere on the ground after kalista died. If she used her W to throw a sphere and pressed Q at the same time for a new sphere, then shouldn't there be 2 spheres? I also looked at it carefully to make sure that there was only 1 sphere.

Also she used her E to stun at 39:10 (in my reference video) and then at 3:11 she used W + Q (according to you) then shouldn't that proc thunderlords decree? If so then i am truly sorry, i must be colour blind as i didn't see TL being proced.

You should also note that someone here mentioned that knights vow should have mitigated 12% damage from kalista to rakan (although i am not sure if it did or not). It was also mentioned by that kind man (who did the maths) that after taking into account all of the MP that syndra had, kalista took true damage. After taking masteries/runes into account syndra did close to 1500 damage (with a single W).

ModWulf HelhammerJul 18, 20172 votes

The two orbs are actually right on top of each other. If you look very closely, you can see that it looks like it goes through the despawn visuals twice (the center goes dark and then the whole thing kinda shimmers and disappears)

sobi999Jul 18, 20171 votes

Yep, she did use Q and W together although i wonder why didn't TL proc? She had used E just a second ago before she W'd and Q'd? Its insane how fast he did it though but i think they should allow a small gap before syndra can Q after she has W'd like maybe 1 sec gap will do. That W and Q were fast enough to be considered 1 spell and her stun is so damn easy to get off and has a humongous range (for a stun).

Darkdemon653Jul 18, 20171 votes

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Yep, she did use Q and W together although i wonder why didn't TL proc? She had used E just a second ago before she W'd and Q'd? Its insane how fast he did it though but i think they should allow a small gap before syndra can Q after she has W'd like maybe 1 sec gap will do. That W and Q were fast enough to be considered 1 spell and her stun is so damn easy to get off and has a humongous range (for a stun).

Syndra didn't have Decree.

MartyrofsandJul 18, 20171 votes

Pay close attention at 43:31, slow the video down to .5 speed or less if you have to. If you do you can very clearly see the animation for Snydra's Q, it's the swirling energy gathering right where the W lands. Syndra's orbs do not have hit detection when they are just laying on the ground, only when they are actually interacted with via her abilities, so when they are just on the ground multiple orbs can and do over lap, it isn't uncommon to see 2 orbs partially overlapping each other while on the ground either.

ModWulf HelhammerJul 17, 20174 votes

Just from his build alone, that's 35% of your MR gone, another 30 flat MPen, and 366 AP.

Add in runes and masteries, and you have 35% MR gone, 43.33 flat pen, 394.716 AP, an additional 2% ability damage, and then 3% increased damage in general, then add in the 20% bonus true damage from max rank W. So in total damage (before resistances): 1460.015668 + 101.26 true damage (I may be doing the math correctly on the 2 and 3 percent damage increases from masteries, but they don't account for much)

Kalista at level 15 has 36.6 MR, with an additional 30 from QSS, and 26.922 from R&M, bringing the total to 93.522 MR. With Void Staff that's reduced to 60.79 and then with the flat pen it's down to 17.45. Kali has only 1669 HP at that level with masteries, and had already taken 195 damage bringing her to at most 1474 HP. Simply put, it's just too much damage to survive.

(Also Bjerg had 8 dark seals at the time)

EDIT: also, it wasn't just a W that landed on him, but a whole rotation, minus ult. He landed a Q at the same time he threw his W, with both spheres landing right on top of each other. If you look very closely, you can see that it looks like it goes through the despawn visuals twice (the center goes dark and then the whole thing kinda shimmers and disappears), but it's actually the first sphere despawning, then the second.

sobi999Jul 17, 20171 votes

So is that healthy considering the range of her W? That's what i really want to know. I didn't even consider knights vow tbh and the fact that there was no Thunder lord proc as well....

DJMason88Jul 18, 20172 votes

They did nerf the hitbox on her w.

KoKobotoJul 17, 20171 votes

Nice math. Still pretty ridiculous though that her W just does THAT much damage. 20% of it is also bonus true damage.

ModWulf HelhammerJul 17, 20171 votes

Messed up a bit, forgot to check Kali runes and masteries, but they only end up getting her to 17.45 MR (Piglet only had 4 in runes, with 22.5 conditional from masteries), but her health pool is simply not large enough to survive that much damage all at once

IdveYsUfSKJul 17, 20172 votes

any mid can do one shot being so far ahead.

DJMason88Jul 18, 20172 votes

You can clearly see she was hit by her q and then thunder lords.

DrCyanideJul 17, 20171 votes

I am hearing everything but the critical information: What were their builds?

sobi999Jul 17, 20172 votes

I just put every info i thought was relevant. Except runes and masteries. We can deduce them from common knowledge i.e. MP and AP for syndra and AS and AD for kalista and etc.

Rockm SockmJul 17, 20171 votes

Piglet died to a crit...he wasn't one shot just by one Syndra spell

archerno1Jul 17, 20173 votes

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Piglet died to a crit...he wasn't one shot just by one Syndra spell

No he didnt. Tristana was hitting tower at that moment. Piglet died to Syndra W. Pigled just gaped at his screen. We arent talking about Syndra putting a lot of spheres then deleting ADC. Syndra literally just used W on Kalista that was on 85% hp and killed her.

Darkdemon653Jul 18, 20171 votes

He was hit by E, W, and Q, and started down about 170 health.

Akali is SO HOTJul 18, 20171 votes

It was actually W + Q. They just landed at the same time so it only looked like it was her W. Still pretty dumb though.

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