The Nunu overbuff is real. It makes me sad as a nunu player.

and when are you going to adress the problem that support-nunu is dead since the end of s2? (also, buffing someone that had a way above average winrate on experienced players before usually leads to them being overpowered, shouldn´t come as a big surprise).

In that case, what's changed? Nunu has to sacrifice his % HP auto buff, his 15% MS buff on kill, for a slightly longer duration on his old Consume buff (10% Size and Health), some OOC MS, a bug fix and the ult buff?

And that's your idea for helping pre 6.20 Nunu? You tested the ult buff by itself a few times on the PBE, if the ult buff was all he needed why did it take you so long to publish it?

Aw man, I was hoping you guys wouldn't just revert some of the new stuff. While most people don't like stripping the old for some new, I like Nunu's new identity as this huge health wall early game. It's made a ton of invades into their Jungle for me possible and I would honestly like it more if, like, some of the damage was taken off of his E or R since he is used more for the utility and other things he provides than straight damage.

Something like: E Damage reduced to 70/110/150/190/230 (+75% AP) from 80/120/160/200/240 (+90% AP) R Max Damage reduced to 600/800/1000 (+225% AP) from 625/875/1125 (+250% AP) R Min Damage reduced to 75/100/125 (+25% AP) from 78/109/140 (+31% AP)

I would like that a lot more than you guys taking away from his Durability and Utility.

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Our current thoughts on what we'd likely hit on Nunu if he continues to look too strong:

• Base AD to 57 base and 3.5 per level (from 59 and 4.0). Effectively a reversion of the AD buffs in 6.20.
• Bonus HP per consume stack to 2% instead of 3%.

Still evaluating how he's doing of course. Looks like he's overbuffed at first glance, that might settle over the patch though.

Ok so things.

1. I beg you for the love of god do not nerf his base AD without returning the 1%. That base AD nets about 9-11 autos worth of time in the JG first clear dramatically effecting how long it takes to clear.

2. I strongly disagree with this change. You're effectively giving him a worse version of what happened before with no compensation. 15% in combat/camp to camp movement tends to be MUCH stronger than 50 out of combat movement. (at least the way I play it does for sure since it lets you escape counter jungling.)

If I may make suggestions based on what I've seen do some or all of these but please don't nerf the base AD without damage compensation.

1. The out of combat movement speed can straight go. It makes no sense with his kit, is anti thematic to his ultimate of making people move slowly and buffing your allies and honestly is free power you can trim.

2. Base HP, trim this down a bit (Not a ton) and let nunu's health SCALING stay. Make flat HP scaling part of his chunky tank identity.

3. Nerf his passive. Increase the number of autos for a free spell by 1. He's virtually a manaless champ with AS marks and this nerf is one of the best ways to stop him from handing off early blues and nerfs his team fighting by reducing the number of snowballs he puts out. It also means his build path will likely need to include at least some incidental mana such as frozen heart (a non hp item) or RG (A no resist item).

4. What you did to his ult, while nice for me is preposterously silly. You need to nerf it down from 95%. I'd have been jumping off the walls for 75% or even 65% as a flat number. 95% Is thresh box levels where you hit the movement speed minimum cap.

Things I beg you not to nerf if you can find ANY possible way to avoid it.

1. His Q CD/HP- It's his identity, the 1 second gained is beautiful. Please leave it. The scaling hp can make him the definitive HP tank for the jungle.

2. His E - It's been nuked from orbit since last time you nerfed it.

So those are my thoughts.

TLDR: I really do hope you'll at least read it. I really don't want to see 2% hp per stack since that will effectively leave him where he was before only worse but with a better ult. I'd much rather lose some of the power from the ult and keep the % hp or lose base HP because the 15% HP synergy with his build paths is great and FEELS really good. Please don't reduce his scaling, he already scales poorly.

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Our current thoughts on what we'd likely hit on Nunu if he continues to look too strong:

• Base AD to 57 base and 3.5 per level (from 59 and 4.0). Effectively a reversion of the AD buffs in 6.20.
• Bonus HP per consume stack to 2% instead of 3%.

Still evaluating how he's doing of course. Looks like he's overbuffed at first glance, that might settle over the patch though.

I think he is fine, he takes a lot of skill to pull off as it is, i think the hp is fine but the damage should be left alone, thanks for buff to nunu he really needed it

I think the movement speed is the overtuned part honestly, lowering that to like 5 per stack would be much better considering his base mov speed is super high already.

Bye!

They increased the health granted to him by his Q for eating monsters to 15% max health from 10% max health, increased his base AD by 0.55 per level and 2 at Level 1, and made his R MS slow increase to 95% over the duration (as well as removing the cast time for it).

He has one of the strongest but yet easiest ults to invade in game. I actually got my FIRST Accidental Pentakill with Nunu. I was sitting in the mid bush cooking my ult when their whole team came . Instant killed four of their teammates and I iceballed the last person. Now my nunu bot can shine.