vamp scepter cost analysis/reflection

LilxPaprika··2 votes·469 views

so vamp scepter saw a few fluctuations over the course of its history Between offering: 12%, 10%, 8% Now settling on the 8%. However its price always remain 800 gold. I realize it attempts to set the value of lifesteal. Yet lifesteal itself if difficult to value. Say you have 10% lifesteal on botrk. That 10% works with its passive. So if I were to break down the value of the item I would price the specs on the items aside from LS to be worth a tiny bit more.

On hydra it has aoe lifesteal (which isn’t even reduced in effectiveness like spellvamp has) this alone makes the 12% worth quite a bit.

I don't think the value of lifesteal has been properly weighed. And the reason for this because the items its found on are such that its difficult to value since they interact with lifesteal in qwerky ways. even the old zeke's herald gave aura lifesteal that is hard to put a value on.

Lets look at 800 gold / 10 = 44 per lifesteal as opposed to 55 with 8%

8 times 44 = 352 + 360(longsword) =712 I would call for something along the lines of: 715 for 8 lifesteal or 760 for 9 lifesteal

anyways I don't think 800 gold is a proper price for vamp scepter and when I see an adc delay it so much I notice a big issue. (this is usually with regards to BT, not the case with botrk as mentioned above) since bortk's other stats makeup for it. The thing with BT is that sure its a good item, but unlike botrk BT is not well rounded item it doesn't offer attack speed or on hit effect. its also expensive. so if you choose bt you need to sit on scepter first and get your crit and your attack speed. and botrk has a crit like effect that isn't finicky like crit chance can be starting out. Now sure okay okay 85 gold isn't the end of the world, hence why it still functions. but i think it add ups. fix this and fix how crit chance works and i think adcs will be fun to play again. adcs are almost as scarce if not more scarce than supports are in team builder. (Unless its a vayne kappa)

The cap on lifesteal is where the nerfs were needed not on the way to said cap. the inability to stack 2 bts was a good move, as well as remove its passive stacks. but for somereason scepter got caught in the cross fire and nerfed. I get nerfing its cap to 8 from 10 but not without at lease reflecting the price point in the process.

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LilxPaprika3 votes

While on the topic of cost effectiveness. Another thing I think needs to be looked at are item 3158 Lucidity boots are nearly 300 gold less cost effective than item 3006 http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/PMW91aGu-lucidity-boots-should-cost-900-gold

If more cost effective lucidity boots somehow makes riven or fizz op, then i would remind you to nerf the champions not the items. Or redefine how much CDR is worth

LilxPaprika1 votes

When botrk got its lifesteal nerfed to 10% from 15% it wasn't without buffing its passive. And now that it can heal off it, its more than fitting that it only has 10% lifesteal.

Yet in the process scepter got caught in the cross fire. Scepter didn't need nerf. Its the items that scale exceptionally well with lifesteal like hydra aoe and botrk that needed a nerf.

But for adcs looking to just sit on scepter until they get their core items like sufficient crit chance etc

Sitting on an 8% scepter which didn't even have its price adjusted is a bit much.

RetroRage961 votes

You should make this one big mega thread.

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