Most of what people tell you on the boards is about how games are too short, too snowbally, too focused on teamplay with towers that are too weak. Every single change you make goes makes every one of those worse, so at this point just screw it Riot, go nuclear. You kill the Baron you win.
Maybe when you finally screw the game up enough you'll realize why people liked it in the first place
kattzkitti42 votesHaven't you figured out yet that Riot doesn't care what the community thinks? It's all about that esports money, and short games are what get it.
Leylania32 votesHaven't you figured out yet that Riot doesn't care what the community thinks? It's all about that esports money, and short games are what get it.
Which makes it even more dumb considering that this will make the pro play even slower, strengthening exactly what they are trying to get rid of.
LVL99 Helper TK15 votesWhich makes it even more dumb considering that this will make the pro play even slower, strengthening exactly what they are trying to get rid of.
Yeah, losing a baron fight is obviously 100 times more risky with the change, so why would anyone want to force it?
You basically instantly lose the game if the enemy team gets baron now
TheThundersRoar11 votesAnd if you make an aggressive play and 2 teammates die, the enemy gets Baron and ends it.
There's now no reason to make aggressive plays ANYWHERE on the map.
cheerfothebeer3 votesWhich makes it even more dumb considering that this will make the pro play even slower, strengthening exactly what they are trying to get rid of.
Riot clearly doesn't know what they are doing.
Lux Tizer1 votesUnfortunately I have noticed that. All I'm glad about is that Riot's finally this season getting a lot of the blowback it deserves with half the top lane streaming population Either hating the game or quitting.
LOSINGISMYPRIDE1 votesAre you telling riot taking advice from 
and 
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General Esdeath 6 votes[sg-lux-2]
LOSINGISMYPRIDE3 voteswell i thought lee sin was blind and zoe was unreasonable . This is a deep figure of speech called imagination .
General Esdeath 2 votesjajaja
LOSINGISMYPRIDE1 votestehee [slayer-jinx-wink]
RainbowIcee1 votesthese changes have been making the esport scene a lot more boring, because they're so scared to fight each other.
Hong Kong Annie3 votesExports don't make as much as you think. They are catering to the Chinese market because that is where the money is at. China likes shorter games that you can play at PC cafes, riot makes league more snowbally
Venomar2 votesThis isn't something that gets brought up enough. It's the Asians man, it's always the Asians.
T4underbolt3 votesNo dude they do care. Didn't you see latest charts? Low elo Vietnam players are the one who decides what is meta and what is not and riot changes the game accordingly to their needs. :D
GayFluffyUnicorn1 votesGod i still can't understand what they are trying to tell us with low elo vietnam preferring toplane. Like they say "we don't want to talk about the state of toplane but here look how many people love toplane". That's like saying people enjoy living in north korea here look 100% love it, north korea is fine.
T4underbolt1 votesWell. The thing is. If they make bruisers finally viable, the casuals and baddies who abuse tanks or gnar/jayce/GP to get free lane, will get countered and will actually have to play well to win the lane. So Riot wants to say that they dont care as long there is actually a class completely dominating top and its easy to play.
Sp33d Zer08 votesIsn't baron SUPPOSED to be a win condition?
General Esdeath 7 votesNo, it's supposed to be the counter to anti-siege comps like 
Sp33d Zer01 votesAnd antisiege comps don't care about baron past 3 items
General Esdeath 2 votesLOL what? Dude, between the increased HP, range, and now 
the comp becomes useless.
Sp33d Zer01 votesYa if ignore how good ad wave clearers are such as, but not limited to, sivir, jinx, xayah...
Besides that banner isnt up for every wave and every wave doesn't have a cannon. The fact remains that as it stands now, unless you buy multiple banners, Malz, azir, anniva, ziggs, Viktor, etc. Have no problems clearing baron waves once they have 3 itenz
Pika Fox1 votesBaron IS supposed to be a win condition. You dont see teams going for baron only if an anti siege champ is on the enemy team. Baron is supposed to break stalemates and force a faster end to the game.
General Esdeath 1 votesBaron was intended originally as a power buff, but new baron is to counter anti-siege. That's not to say you can't use baron vs any team comp.
karolmo2 votes[{quoted}](name=Sp33d Zer0,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EO5vEccR,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-02-17T07:44:12.470+0000)
Isn't baron SUPPOSED to be a win condition?
Yes, a win condition.
Not a "rush at min 23 watch enemy towers fall to our minions, we could literally go AFK since the wave is inmortal lmao"
Pika Fox1 votesYes. It is.
Ionian Vulpix5 votesIf they're going to make it that strong, make it spawn later.
JohnnyNeverSins4 votesI think that there is no reason to post here anymore,they said that the boards are just a minority,which means that they basically dont give a fuck about what people say,well you can see this by the changes they make too..sad really,they only act based on the LC$
ShuyinTheX3 votesBaron + Banner of Command + Nunu's Blood Boil On a cannon minion. R.I.P. Turret-chan
Sohleks3 votesMaybe taking some of the gold out of the baron kill is a good place to drain power while offering more in the moment. Not that I think the baron "phase" should be totally one sided though. And if all of the minions are unreasonably unkillable it will feel that way because a baron'd team SHOULD just safely run it down lanes.
The best part of the change is the better stat reward. Better odds of diving should be encouraged through better stats. Or interacting somewhat and recovering with regen. I feel minions so strong towers come free won't be good to watch or play.
D4M2X03 votesremove rift herald and bring back the old baron while spawning at 15. they tried to make toplane "not an island" role by putting rift there but junglers just solo it easily.
what are they doing to make toplane less of an island? nerfing TP O.o now we will never leave our island! :D
The Yetii Rider2 votesKeep crying. Forcing players to actually group for objectives, trying their best to come out of base and actually fight to try and take the back game instead of turtle, that is good for me. I will probably actually surrender less often because of these changes, because I don't mind losing. What I hate is when my bitch team mates refuse to contest any objectives, insisting that if they stay in base and farm minions they will eventually be able to fight against the enemy team ten or twenty minutes from now. That's not a video game, that's just a waste of time.
ApexInTheCircle27 votes[{quoted}](name=The Yetii Rider,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EO5vEccR,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-02-17T02:14:12.508+0000)
Keep crying. Forcing players to actually group for objectives, trying their best to come out of base and actually fight to try and take the back game instead of turtle, that is good for me. I will probably actually surrender less often because of these changes, because I don't mind losing. What I hate is when my bitch team mates refuse to contest any objectives, insisting that if they stay in base and farm minions they will eventually be able to fight against the enemy team ten or twenty minutes from now. That's not a video game, that's just a waste of time.
Can you fucking blame them? The games are so god damn one sided and snowbally that even stepping one Teemo out of line will get you completely obliterated and have your team flame you for being out of position. So no one wants to make a move because even the absolute slightest fuck up = a lose.
Lux Tizer9 votesLeague was a perfectly fun and capable game before the snowballing and shortened game time. Basically everything they've done since patch 5.18(Juggernaut update) has just made gameplay worse.
The Yetii Rider2 votesOf course I can blame them. They're making the choice. If they don't want to leave base and fight to stop the enemy team from picking up more of a lead, then they should surrender.
General Esdeath 11 votes"haha look at this guy saying something is wrong haha wow what a cry baby haha"
ok
Osiris2122 votesBaron is a win condition?????? When has it never not been a win condition???? oh maybe in the current state it's in where it's pretty much naturally better to try and contest elder drake then baron in nearly every situation and basically only take baron if you can sneak it, force the fight, or already won the fight and getting the baron really isn't that much of a bonus. All this does is make it more on pushing and rotating than actually fighting and if they turtle you actually have a way against it. Nothing is wrong with that.
Iffy Jarl2 votesDont the major Baron changes start at the 44 minute marrk? what does that have to do with snowball?
Pika Fox1 votesTechnically 27. Previous baron stopped scaling at 27 mins. Either way, its job is to break stalemates. People are complaining about baron literally doing its one job.
TS Media1 votesKilling baron should be like getting a MOAB in CoD.
Sõna1 votesBaron buff only being effectively buffed at 30 minutes game around if you did some calculation.
T4underbolt1 votesWithout having sobie in your team or at least 2 heavy wave clear champs you won't stop push done by 20 min baron because meele creeps are immortal. Now same is going to be done to casters and cannon minion gains DMG buff to turrets. Already you can basically leave turrets if enemy has baron. After that change you can just FF or open if enemy gets baron.
mack91121 votesI always welcome changes don't knock it till you try it :)
Lux Tizer5 votesAlmost nothing Riot's done with balance in the last 3 years has given me encouragement to trust their decisions like this one.
Squidward Dab1 votesRiot might as well change the ff timer and herald to 10 mins, homeguard to 15 and let’s just make it so dragon respawns every 2 minutes and outer turrets self destruct by 12 mins. /s [fiora-cool]
notice me Sin pi1 votesif riot actually codes the game so that baron kill results in blown up nexus, I would actually love to see how it changes the meta especially in lower elo; that's certainly going to make this game feel so much more fresh even tho baron = win is pretty much gonna be same
Pika Fox1 votesYou.... you do realize killing it is supposed to be a win condition, yes? And the buff only affects post 27 mins. By then, baron is supposed to break stalemates. Thats its job.
kurnubego1 votesToo focused on team play? But it is team oriented game. If you're playing some fighting game which just happens to be located in summoners rift looking at your KDA numbers when you're doing it wrong.
Secondly, no. Making baron kill a win condition wouldn't work. And it's not the same. Team which may take baron, may end up being wiped out by another team right after they 'secure' it. But fail to secure themselves. Moreover, Baron is supposed to be the turning point by design which breaks stalemates.
