The plan for Shyvana to buy Guinsoos has not been a good one

PapaGreg21··3 votes·274 views

She was recently given AP scaling on her burnout to make guinsoos more of a core item but it doesn't seem to be even as good as BOTRK is currently. Maybe increase the AP ratio or rethink giving her any AP scalings at all would be the best way to give her better identity in her build path.

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Mistress Shyvana3 votes

I agree. It's not a good item Shyvana can't stick to people enough to be of any use. She can either only build tank or be a hit and run bursty build.

Building guinsoos for extended fights Shyvana will lose if the enemy has any type of cc or half a brain.

If rather remove the AP scalings entirely and make them all AD or health.

Linna Excel2 votes

Building guinsoos for extended fights Shyvana will lose if the enemy has any type of cc or half a brain.

Right. Rageblade needs time to build stacks and that can be an issue for shyvana. Frankly she needs AS more than she needs extra on hit effects.

venomous frost2 votes

guinsoo's is just bad on every champion right now, except KogMaw ,

Crowe Stalker1 votes

You forgot Jax and Yi, but Kog is definitely the best Guinsoo user right now.

venomous frost1 votes

it's bad on jax, and every melee champ. There's no way you can get to 6 stacks in a fight.

Sire Hippington2 votes

It would be more important to make guinsoo's on it's own a good item for melees. There is not a single melee in the game right now that does well with it, because it gives such pittyfull stats for the gold without stacks and needs way to long to stack up outside of a 1v1 in lane. It also costs alot for a no defense, no utility item. Melees usually can't really afford that unless fed.

Linna Excel1 votes

Just get bloodrazor and bork into tank and you'll be fine.

Mistress Shyvana2 votes

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Just get bloodrazor and bork into tank and you'll be fine.

I like going burst/assassin Shyvana if the enemy team has no reliable cc. Diving into the enemy team and 1-shotting the squishies then running the hell away is so fun.

PapaGreg211 votes

Strangely, I agree. You could make the argument that this is actually the best shyvana build now and go warrior/ie/phantom dancer early and take advantage of her q as a fast second crit. You would just have to change to a split pusher/assassin because diving into 5 man groups would be rough. Bloodrazor still feels pretty bad on her imo.

Mistress Shyvana1 votes

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Strangely, I agree. You could make the argument that this is actually the best shyvana build now and go warrior/ie/phantom dancer early and take advantage of her q as a fast second crit. You would just have to change to a split pusher/assassin because diving into 5 man groups would be rough. Bloodrazor still feels pretty bad on her imo.

I still go Bloodrazor because it gives attack speed which she NEEDS because I learned(from URF funny enough, that if her attack speed is to low her Q and auto's are to slow. To the point people will walk away and she will cancel her own auto. (Try it, auto someone moving at the inside edge of her AA range she cancels her own autos) but from there I go Tiamat>Shiv/phantom dancer>finish ravenous hydra>infinity> and fit boots in there somewhere usually swifties. With this build and my rune/mysteries i can 1 shot squishes, solo rift herald/baron/elder pretty quickly and unless locked down or blown up won't lose and can 1v3 easily. While having near 400AD, 51% crit, 100MR/ARMOR, and around 2.8k health.

The towards the end of the game or if people start focusing you(they will become scared of you) if need be you can swap out Bloodrazor for cinder hulk and ravenous for titanic

Don't do this build if they have good cc though you will hate life.

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