And this is why 80% of players being in Silver is a joke.

Illabethe·Oct 22, 2018·3 votes·3,180 views

https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2892285285/243999882?tab=stats

Look at this game.

P.S. This is Phase Rush Evelynn, not Electrocute..... meaning I had no rune based damage.

My main account is Diamond II. This account until the last week was floating around SIlver II on smurfing.

I was actually trying to win this one.

What was my team doing?

-Jinx was using all her ults trying to steal my already sealed kills. -Zilean was just running around inting. -Illaoi was fail -split push intng -Yasuo didn't do a single thing any time I ganked (and killed) Heimerdinger, and the rest of the time he was diving to die.

Yet...... none of them will be punished ofc... and they all have a history of doing this. I feel sorry for people stuck in this elo who don't already have a high elo alternative.

And 80% of the community is stuck in this muck!

44 Comments

FOR JUSTICEOct 22, 201810 votes

Ok see this is the thing.

Sure youre diamond, theres no disputing that. But that doesnt just give you the right to just be condescending to the rest of your team.

Mind you, as far as they know, youre just another silver player, so in there eyes they dont have to listen to you. Youre giving them commands on what to do im sure, but youre forgetting its SILVER. Youre holding them to diamond expectations. Just because the play you expect them to make could work, doesnt mean they have the skill to play it off perfectly.

Literally everything you just described is being legitimately bad at the game, except for zilean (because unlike the others there isnt any context)

IllabetheOct 22, 20182 votes

No. I'm holding them to an "existing" expectation. Look at their CC scores, damage outputs, farm, etc. I can understand Silver performance in Silver. I was putting the entire other team behind though.... killing lane after lane, disrupting every push they made? But what did MY team do? Jinx and Zilean would split push bot, get killed in 2v4, and then Yasuo would go top, split push with Illaoi at the same exact time, and also die 2v4.

They never tried at all to ward, to react to objectives.... at all, and were constantly dead.

Maybe that's what you THINK Silver is. It's not normally. Normally, Silver isn't much different than Platinum:

People have some mechanical understanding of their champions, but miscalculate angles, make aggressive plays where they are missing a key factor to winning that aggressive play, etc.

They do not generally int to the point where the sum of Three of them add up to the damage of the smurf. (I did more damage than Illaoi, Yasuo, and Zilean combined...... and Illaoi is a friggin damage leader even if a feeder..... I've been using her a little recently and if I had less than 40k damage in 30 minutes I'd kill myself)

The only thing that really separates Platinum and Silver is better ban choices, and very tiny miniscule micro play choice differences.

StigranOct 22, 20184 votes

No, there is a big difference between silver and platinum, what are you on lol, otherwise everyone would be gold and platinum. Instead they are stuck in silver. Just to make the point clear, if plat and silver were so similar in skill, the rankings would be alot more fluid.

IllabetheOct 22, 20181 votes

You literally can stick a Silver in Platinum and they would thrive there. The pacing and forgiveness for playing passive puts specific silver players (not all of them) into a situation where they play that elo fine (Especially supports, and some one trick junglers/tops)

The difference between Plat and most silvers is brutally singular: The Plats placed in gold, and got lucky enough to coast a series of win up into higher play tiers. The Silvers placed Silver, and can't deal with what are in reality 70% Bronze V population who somehow either haven't descended the ladder yet, or got a lucky win streak enough to come to Silver.

If you try to play safe in Silver, your game is over before you can use that safeness. If you try to play safe in Gold, your game will probably succeed because you didn't help create the game ending snowball. If you try to play safe in Platinum, your game will probably succeed because you know better than gold how to use your CS lead to turn down objectives.

You can have Platinum Macro play in Silver, and Silver will crap on it.

StigranOct 22, 20182 votes

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If you try to play safe in Silver, your game is over before you can use that safeness. If you try to play safe in Gold, your game will probably succeed because you didn't help create the game ending snowball. If you try to play safe in Platinum, your game will probably succeed because you know better than gold how to use your CS lead to turn down objectives.

You can have Platinum Macro play in Silver, and Silver will crap on it.

I don't know why our experiences differ so much, but i've played alot of silver games when i first started to climb, and they lasted around 10-15 minutes longer than my plat/low dia games. If you play safe and know what to do you'll climb. For what a single experience can matter, i climbed from silver for the first time playing Nasus top, just stacking and learning when to pick my fights. When i was decently good at the game i started winning more than i lose and i climbed to gold. Of course if you pick an early power champ and can't close the game by 25 minutes then you risk losing.

IllabetheOct 22, 20181 votes

Honestly? Probably because you play champs of top tier in your two roles almost exclusively.

Nasus is one of the few champions who can systematically, game after game, be both an omnipresent split pusher, scaler, AND kill 1-2 of his impeders before he himself dies. Teams can't risk not stopping him from split pushing, and when they do, 1-2 people often die, so the trade was worth it.

Try that logic on a split pushing Zyra .

Xerath is just ......one of those champs that by design is irredeemably disrupting. Never runs out of mana, has massive range control, 1 shots even Baron'd waves, and is hard for a laner to approach (about the only way a Xerath ever dies is when he's roaming, or can get ganked while ulting, or really botches a skill combo. It almost always takes 2 or more teammates to kill him, and he's got very tiny risk of dying in a team fight.

I don't play champs that are as safe as you do. I have to back out of my split pushes. I often can't get my drakes because bot/mid don't exist, but theirs DO. I lose my mid games not because I fed mid, but because I had to relocate Bot to keep Bot from hemorrhaging deaths. If I'm supporting, I'm usually at the mercy of whether or not my adc exists at all. Zyra..... I can carry them. Not all supports are that lucky. Usually you're behind 6 minutes on your quest and a significant amount of gold..... just because the adc doesn't exist.

StigranOct 22, 20182 votes

Well of course if you try split pushing with Zyra something is going very wrong :P Each champion has their own playstyle, with stregths and weaknesses. With Nasus i can split all i want, but if enemy team has hard engage or if my team feeds someone like a vayne/yi/jax i am beyond useless. To close this out, not all games can be carried, even if you're on point sometimes your teammates just dont care about winning or are mentally challenged (i know i've been both of those lol). We'll agree to disagree on the skill level between silver and plat, cya and hf!

IllabetheOct 22, 20181 votes

Not Split Push with Zyra? Try jungling her sometime :) Buy move speed items instead of the traditional Liandri's setup.

Get item 3100 .

You'll find Zyra has an insane split push with almost no real counter other than being surrounded. 800-900 lich bane procs to buildings with her kit to clear waves and take 1-2 targets with her.

Dope SoloOct 22, 20181 votes

You go to battle with the team you have, not the team you wanted. https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2892073524/235846497?tab=overview

At the end of the day its not a player problem, you can't blame people for being unfamiliar or unpracticed. The fact that they ended up in YOUR game is the fault of the matchmaker. I suppose you'd have to be really good to carry a team of all dead weight. I'm guessing you're just not there yet.

Nik NikersonOct 22, 20188 votes

First, it isn't 80% of the community that's in silver. Second, most players are just bad. Which is why they are in silver or below. Which is why it isn't a joke; they literally deserve to be in silver because that's their skill level.

Why are you upset? You're playing on a silver account, why do you think you're going to get good players?

IllabetheOct 22, 20181 votes

You're wrong.

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/rankings/rank-distribution

Now..... this is October, and most Silvers who are going to, have already bought their rank boosts, so the stats are a little more skewed to Gold than the rest of the year. (9 months of the year Gold is about 18%, Plat 4.30%).

Even now.....

Bronze: 19.57% Silver: 48.57%

Total: 68.18%

In reality the rest of the year, stats aren't even that sunny. 7-8% get shaved off of Gold and Plat and moved down the tiers.

Nik NikersonOct 22, 20184 votes

You're wrong Link to a site that literally says less than 50% of players are in silver

So I'm no mathematician, but if I correctly remember my multi-variable calculus classes, 48 is actually not equal to 80.

Pika FoxOct 22, 20187 votes

Of course none of them will be punished... You didnt describe anything they did wrong. Being bad isnt punishable.

Do you think reporting jinx for pressing R at times you dont agree with is ever going to be validated?

IllabetheOct 22, 20182 votes

Did you even look at the stats?

Illaoi took over 60k damage recieved/mitigated but only DID 8k damage. Illaoi's kit almost makes doing so low damage almost impossible. And most of that damage was when I went top and killed Jhin - twice - meaning..... the rest of the game she literally did no damage..... as Illaoi.

Yasuo was suicide diving.

Zilean did 5.9k damage in 32 minutes. 6 total assists, (keep in mind he gets assists just from using E on someone, so this is understated)

Also, they literally did not macro play at all the entire game. There was never ONCE a "Group."

They were just running it down lanes.

I didn't report Jinx. But Zilean, Yas, and Illaoi were pure inting.

Did you not even notice I was full 6 items, while these guys had less than 2? There's a reason for that other than just being bad.

P.S. If you looked at the nuance behind the post, you'd realize this isn't about int feeders or whose reportable, it's about polarized games. A good player can completely be shut out of progression by a row of these players in several games in a row. It's not uncommon at all for you to get 10-12 games in a row of this kind of polarization...... which drops your MMR by about 400+, your LP gain per game by 2-4, and puts you in Bronze games when your rank is still somewhere in the mid silvers, even though the losses weren't your fault.

Pika FoxOct 22, 20183 votes

Some people are literally just that bad.

Also, macro play doesnt happen until high plat.

nuclearwarpotatoOct 22, 20187 votes

"AW MAN! When I play on my smurf well below my skill level the players I get matched with are well below my skill level! How is this fair RITO? This NEEDS to be fixed"

MalakOct 22, 20184 votes

LOL "diamond"

A level 145 silver 5 smurf OK.

Why do so many players love to lie to themselves and others about being high elo when they're not? This is actually extremely common in forums and in game.

IllabetheOct 22, 20181 votes

I play about 4000 games a year. This is just a smurf I play with friends :)

LittleDemonTristOct 22, 20181 votes

If you are a smurf and know u will get ahead every game, why dont you use darkharvest?

RexxieeOct 22, 20183 votes

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LOL "diamond"

A level 145 silver 5 smurf OK.

Why do so many players love to lie to themselves and others about being high elo when they're not? This is actually extremely common in forums and in game.

1.1k games silver 5 player with a negative WR.

The good old "diamond smurf"

MalakOct 22, 20181 votes

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1.1k games silver 5 player with a negative WR.

The good old "diamond smurf"

Put me, a gold player, in silver 5 and I will carry every single game. This isn't even theoretical - I actually did that when I was put in silver at the start of the season.

Waiting for this guy to come on his supposed diamond main and clear this misunderstanding.

JackMcSnipeyzOct 22, 20184 votes

"Diamond" player legit crying about adc KSing them lol..

IllabetheOct 22, 20181 votes

lol? There's a difference between ksing and wasting utility. Trying 5-6 times to ks an Evelynn Ult with her own ult is wasteful. You have a finite number of uses per game. Use them wisely.

The one time she DID KS me.... I had chased Kai Sa clear to her turret's outer boundary, past the Vel Koz support. I was going to Ult Jinx, and then land next to Vel Koz to start in on him. Instead, Jinx KS'd me, didn't have her ult, and Vel Koz actually got away by a sliver of HP..... because Jinx no longer had her ult. The 4 times she was too late and missed.... she could have used those ults elsewhere, and probably lost about 2-3 kills from wasting it.

I don't care about KS as much as missed opportunities. Captured opportunities are what wins games.

EyesOfTheFoxOct 22, 20182 votes

Your marksmen need gold too. Chances are if you are solo killing people you can afford to give that gold to your marksman. If I ever get you in a game I'm gonna try to take all your kills just for running your mouth about it. It also takes time for that rocket to get where it's going so you could have actually tried to ensure that the rocket would hit, but instead you try to kill the target before the rocket gets there making her ult useless. If you had been able to keep the enemy in a position to get hit, it wouldn't have been a waste and you would have gotten an assist.

IllabetheOct 22, 20181 votes

Read the reply you are replying to. If she didn't KS me, she had the kill on Vel Koz, and I would have had the assist.

Most of my kills that game were pure 100% - 0% solo kills. I'd love to share assists/kills..... if they were there to share them.

And, have you even played Evelynn? Evelynn kills instantly when played correctly. Why would you EVER expect to need to Jinx R an Evelynn target? The reason she failed 3-4 times was because the target was dead LONG before her rocket even arrived. I was one shotting Kai Sai and Vel Koz by that point of the game.

And even if I did let her steal kills..... again..... it doesn't address the champs who got away from being killed, because she wasted it.

In the case of the Vel Koz, if she ks'd Kai Sa, I still had to ult backwards to reach the Vel koz....... meaning it would still be down, and Vel would still get away.

SolicitudeOct 22, 20183 votes

Yeah baby, got meself a liar!!!

A total of 1187 games played in silver this year with 49% win rate. Seriously? A Diamond player has stayed in bronze for 1187 games? Im a lowly platinum player and i got from silver 4 to gold 5 in 2 days without even trying much.

Normally, Silver isn't much different than Platinum:

People have some mechanical understanding of their champions, but miscalculate angles, make aggressive plays where they are missing a key factor to winning that aggressive play, etc.

The only thing that really separates Platinum and Silver is better ban choices, and very tiny miniscule micro play choice differences.

You literally can stick a Silver in Platinum and they would thrive there. The pacing and forgiveness for playing passive puts specific silver players (not all of them) into a situation where they play that elo fine (Especially supports, and some one trick junglers/tops)

The difference between Plat and most silvers is brutally singular: The Plats placed in gold, and got lucky enough to coast a series of win up into higher play tiers. The Silvers placed Silver, and can't deal with what are in reality 70% Bronze V population who somehow either haven't descended the ladder yet, or got a lucky win streak enough to come to Silver.

If you try to play safe in Silver, your game is over before you can use that safeness. If you try to play safe in Gold, your game will probably succeed because you didn't help create the game ending snowball. If you try to play safe in Platinum, your game will probably succeed because you know better than gold how to use your CS lead to turn down objectives.

You can have Platinum Macro play in Silver, and Silver will crap on it.

You got really no idea what you are talking about. There is a huge difference between plat and silver. Its true that some silver one tricks might do relatively well in plat, but that will only be during the laning phase, if at all. No silver can keep up with the macro in plat. And the micro and skill of a plat is a far cry from a silver player. Also, one more thing. By playing passive in plat you are surrendering your lane to the enemy. You can get punished so hard that you can become useless for the rest of the game, especially since games here rarely last long.

There is a channel in youtube made by challenger-high diamond players that has guides on how to improve. In one of their videos they said that there is not much skill difference between a platinum and a diamond, but the difference is more on the macro decisions. Now what you are saying is that there is no skill difference between a silver and a platinum, so a silver player is, skill-wise, very close to a diamond. So a silver player is very close to becoming a professional high elo player. You mad bro?

P.S. Your builds are terrible.

IllabetheOct 22, 20181 votes

My Main account has 3489 games right now :)

And I'm sorry, but you're wrong about macro post lane. If anything, the post lane play is easier for a Silver to compete with a Plat than the lane phase. Post lane, even in plat, is generally cluster randomness. You can attempt to pinpoint objectives in a team fight; That doesn't mean you'll be allowed them. Even challengers get melted in the post lane macro, simply because they can't perfectly position and skill versus 5 opponents with a gameplan that may turn out much different than your prediction.

Playing passive works in duo queue. It partially works on solo play. I'm not talking about doing nothing and sacrificing your lane. I'm talking about not dying. Poke in a lane if you can, but don't die. Don't engage in a fight where there's a chance you're going to come out dead. Freeze the lane so your turret is safe while your jungler has an opportunity to gank. A 0/0 lane will win games more than a 1/3 lane.

P.S. What builds? My off meta experiments I'm running on a smurf account? Where 90% of my games on ALL champs are Phase rush? For what it's worth: The Ornn and Evelynn builds ARE better than the meta, and guarantee much better performances/damage scaling. Nashors is an underused item on Evelynn, because almost everyone playing her does not take Transcendence. It takes away one of her biggest weaknesses: Lane clear, and post skill finishing.

SolicitudeOct 22, 20183 votes

I dont know about your "main account" And why should i take your word for granted?

What i see is someone claiming he is diamond on his "main account" yet after 1187 he is hard stuck silver with a negative winrate on his "smurf". Facts say more that your words that hang in the air.

Macro defines the whole movement on the map, when to split push, how to wards, when to extend, when not, when to go for objectives, when to group etc. Team-fighting is not part of macro.

Dope SoloOct 22, 20182 votes

Kill Secured. Don't talk down your AD carry for getting fed. It'll help in the long run. Much better than trying to solo carry every game.

IllabetheOct 22, 20181 votes

Kill secured? I had ult, and was still in auto attack range on evelynn...... Kill secured?

Late game I was 100% - 0%'d them with with E and 1-2 Q's....... Kill secured..... by a delayed ult that missed each time?

EyesOfTheFoxOct 22, 20183 votes

Stop whining about kills. Go take a tower or something. Your marksman needs to get fed. How about your marksman players that are like, "Damn I had that last auto but this greedy ass dude just wants all the gold for himself so he can complain about how his teams aren't strong and he can't carry cause he robs his team of money." Shame.

RookPusherOct 22, 20182 votes

Bro...bro...my bro

If you're good, you'll climb. Take it from a Bronze 4. I'm apparently not fully functioning. That's the reason I'm in Bronze. Bro.

IllabetheOct 22, 20181 votes

You do realize the percentile actually accomplishing climbs right now in Season 8, is probably less than 2%? Most Gold + have been Gold + since Season 4, and have the good fortune of staying Gold + after their Placements.

The exceptions are the bannees making new accounts. They are starting out in both Silver and Gold, and most of the ones who land in Silver are not climbing.

There's literally a 7% swing in the last 30 days in Gold Population due to Paid Boosters being paid to raise people to gold. Before the end of the season rush, all those people were hardstuck Silver.

RookPusherOct 22, 20181 votes

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You do realize the percentile actually accomplishing climbs right now in Season 8, is probably less than 2%? Most Gold + have been Gold + since Season 4, and have the good fortune of staying Gold + after their Placements.

The exceptions are the bannees making new accounts. They are starting out in both Silver and Gold, and most of the ones who land in Silver are not climbing.

There's literally a 7% swing in the last 30 days in Gold Population due to Paid Boosters being paid to raise people to gold. Before the end of the season rush, all those people were hardstuck Silver.

Yes, I get that, but there's been a legion of dummies around ehre for years saying they've climbed by natural talent and I know it isn't true.

I've advocated for the following as a resolution: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/tP170kT8-4-ways-to-fix-ranked-in-the-coming-seasons

SwiftKitten88Oct 22, 20182 votes

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https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2892285285/243999882?tab=stats

Look at this game.

P.S. This is Phase Rush Evelynn, not Electrocute..... meaning I had no rune based damage.

My main account is Diamond II. This account until the last week was floating around SIlver II on smurfing.

I was actually trying to win this one.

What was my team doing?

-Jinx was using all her ults trying to steal my already sealed kills. -Zilean was just running around inting. -Illaoi was fail -split push intng -Yasuo didn't do a single thing any time I ganked (and killed) Heimerdinger, and the rest of the time he was diving to die.

Yet...... none of them will be punished ofc... and they all have a history of doing this. I feel sorry for people stuck in this elo who don't already have a high elo alternative.

And 80% of the community is stuck in this muck!

and you wonder why the people who are stuck in silver who play better than them have a hard time climbing out when these are our teammates?

when your diamond and u cant carry them?

people in silver say "we don't make a difference" and "our games are decided by matchmaking" its because we CAN'T make a difference when we get teams like u did.

there are PLENTY of player who frankly CAN'T get out of silver BECAUSE they are stuck getting what u just described and and just said "screw it" to ranked because there are players who play like bronze 4 in silver.

thats why i stopped playing ranked.

i can que unranked and que with people in mid gold to plat and even some low diamond.

why on earth would i go back to ranked and que with THESE kinds of teammates?

NevurwinOct 22, 20182 votes

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=biggiebear

^this is a plat, smurfing in Gold.

You are clearly not a diamond player smurfing in Silver (on an account) with Bronze 2 MMR. you can stop lying, fucking pathetic you even feel the need to lie about that. Your scorelines are atrocious, there is no way in hell you are anything above your actual rank on that account.

ModKnightsKemplarOct 22, 20182 votes

Generalizing about why people are in a tier is a trap, imo.

There are many reasons that people can be stuck in silver. One of those reasons is that they are mechanically much better than most bronze players, but they have almost 0 map awareness or game sense. That seems to be what you are describing here, and I would agree that many players in silver have this problem.

That's not everyone in silver, though.

ButterwoodOct 22, 20181 votes

The enemy team has a pretty solid combo of CC and burst, so I could see how a few failed teamfights would cause crazy tilting. Pretty par for the course in silver. I'd say 1 in 4 games are actually solid matchups with good teamwork on both sides - the rest are steamrolls largely due to trolling, inting, or tilting.

IllabetheOct 22, 20181 votes

The "other team" was dead almost half the game.

And if you're arguing "solid CC"...... then why wasn't I dying? Evelynn's primary counter is CC.

-Vel Koz was raging because he was always dead. -Heimerdinger was dead about 50% of the time and never once CC'd me -Xayah made no plays and has no CC -Jhin was decent, but again, poorly used CC. He actually tried to W / Ult me after I R'd and Demon Shaded.

Near the end of the game, I almost Pentakilled them all in a single ult. I butterfingered it though, and they killed me right as I pushed R.

ButterwoodOct 22, 20181 votes

I'm "arguing" solid CC based on their team comp - just because it didn't kill you, oh ultimate platinum leader, doesn't mean it wouldn't be hard for silver players to navigate it.

Also, I basically agreed with you in my reply, just without all the "UGH rito WTF" douchiness that you're spraying everywhere. It was a bad game - get over it.

PhieldworkerOct 22, 20181 votes

Where do you get your facts from? It’s 46% in silver.

EyesOfTheFoxOct 22, 20181 votes

You remind me of those people that run into an enemy jungle chasing kills with no vision then spam ping your team asking why they weren't there with you when you died 1 v 3, then cite how everyone else is dumb and you are the smart one even though you didn't respect the lack of vision nor your teams relative positions on the map. Oh boohoo someone took my kill, boohoo someone didn't help me, boohoo, boohoo.

IllabetheOct 22, 20181 votes

I do? I'm usually the person who sees those people and decides..... nah.... I'm going to just keep farming. Better than arriving late in a tight fighting area where the angles don't favor me.....