ADC's are going to get doran's shield nerfed for the melees that need it to survive.

Dasdi96·Jun 5, 2017·100 votes·4,954 views

ADC's abuse items not meant for them causing them to get nerfed. Remember what happened to

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GigglesOJun 5, 201737 votes

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ADC's abuse items not meant for them causing them to get nerfed. Remember what happened to

These were all nerfed or reworked at one time beause of ranged champions abusing them... item 3143 item 3083 item 3026 item 3065 item 3102 item 3074 item 3156

SEKAIJun 5, 201772 votes

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These were all nerfed or reworked at one time beause of ranged champions abusing them...

Jokes on you, item 3026 was reworked precisely so that it can be abused by ranged AD carries.

ForgiveColourJun 5, 201710 votes

Im pretty sure the intended purpose of ga was not giving fat tanks a second life

ErockandrollJun 5, 20179 votes

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Im pretty sure the intended purpose of ga was not giving fat tanks a second life

It buy and large depends on the season. Back when I began playing, it was predominantly a Glass cannon item. And even with the previous iteration, the %HP had a hard minimum HP restored, allowing a larger portion of a Glass cannons hit bar restored. Though it never seemed to be popular on glass cannons, if only because of the defensive stats.

And that the part I find hilarious, (and why I don't play glass cannons.) the fact that ADC's will forgo any defensive utility, because building into it hurts their DPS. And yet they complained that they keep getting one shot. Incidentally, the new GA got similar reception to EoN. Because putting a defensive utility on an offensive scaling item, is apparently cancer.

GayFluffyUnicornJun 6, 20173 votes

Ah so they just reworked it into something noone can use except ad champs who can make use of the bf sword. You know even as a midlaner having a GA was nice.

Only Play DariusJun 6, 20173 votes

Maybe if tank items were legitimately buffed in the stat department then taking away GA from tanks would have been fine. As it is tanks don't live any longer than they used to but now don't get a revive.

GigglesOJun 5, 201710 votes

But the thing is it was nerfed because of them, and was just recently reworked "because they were the only ones that purchased it anyways"

Classic Riot. This is like the time they said not enough people played dominion for them to work on it, but the reason people didn't play it is because they didn't work on it...

DivewingJun 5, 201715 votes

Ahhh, the age old riddle of; "Which came first, the no-one played Dominion, or the Riot didn't work on it?"

GigglesOJun 5, 20172 votes

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Ahhh, the age old riddle of; "Which came first, the no-one played Dominion, or the Riot didn't work on it?"

I remember urgot being popular... so it definitively happens that they just don't care enough to work on something to make it popular...

The opposite also happens. Does anyone remember a time that lee wasn't popular for more than a few months?

3TWarriorJun 6, 20172 votes

you kidding? he's never been unpopular for more than a month XD

joking, but that's pretty much the case as so far, it seems the only time people will mention him not being the jungle baseline was during the Cinderhulk meta

5000000000000000Jun 5, 201758 votes

It's not abuse if that's the intended use http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/022/138/reece.JPG?nor

sit kidJun 5, 201715 votes

These were all nerfed or reworked at one time beause of ranged champions abusing them...

Hydra? Am I missing something?

AnidanJun 5, 20172 votes

Got me on that one. That one is up there like "One of these things is not like the others, one of these is melee-only"

GigglesOJun 5, 20177 votes

It didn't used to be melee only. Go look at it before it was reworked. Tiamat stacking was a thing...

Its harder to find videos of it, but here is a good referance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyzSY9osQok

There was actually a thing called tiamat tuesday....

Also old tiamat/hydra did quasi-true damage. The splash damage was based off of the first target you hit, and didn't have to go through the second person's armor. So if your enemy was in a wave of minions and you stacked them you could deal 150% damage to the target using the minions armor...

GP was another big abuser of this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZguYSGotBU

Prison AnaIJun 6, 20179 votes

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Hydra? Am I missing something?

Well tiamat used to be for all and wasnt unique. Six tiamat twitch was a thing i think you can imagine the havoc

NiceTryViJun 6, 20173 votes

It's melee-only. It used to not be. Imagine how fun that must have been.

IceKingChernobogJun 6, 20172 votes

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Hydra? Am I missing something?

You weren't there when Twitch abused the hell out of tiamat and hydra back in season 2. If you think he was a team killer now, back then he would wipe teams in half the time as he does now with it. He was the sole reason why Titanic hydra is a melee only item.

Death by GlamourJun 5, 201726 votes

Why can't they just make it melee only

ErockandrollJun 5, 20171 votes

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Why can't they just make it melee only

Cause the don't use "For him/For her" mechanics.

Death by GlamourJun 5, 20178 votes

cough hydra items cough

AnidanJun 5, 20174 votes

My assumption is that if you normalize that kind of thing then it becomes a cop-out balancing excuse. "Well, we don't actually know how to balance ranged vs melee so we're just going to reserve all the best toys for melee only and tell ranged to pike off"

Death by GlamourJun 5, 201717 votes

if the past has anything to go by, they clearly can't balance it

General Esdeath Jun 5, 201716 votes

item 3022 item 3812 item 3147 item 3814 item 3025 item 3053 item 3071 item 3142 all had to be changed in some way because ranged champs abused them

item 3153 too but I wanted to put it aside to tell everyone scroll over it in their comment typing box, the text comes up huge for some reason

VolphiJun 5, 20172 votes

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General Esdeath Jun 5, 20178 votes

Did I say adc? I said ranged champs. Not every ranged champ is an adc.

ChaoticPineconeJun 5, 20171 votes

....how many ranged, AD champions are in this game that arent ADCs?

The ones who arent ADCs are still pseudo-ADCs - like Urgot, Jayce, and Gnar.

General Esdeath Jun 5, 20176 votes

Gnar Graves Kennen Quinn Teemo

ChaoticPineconeJun 5, 20174 votes

....did you just say Graves and Quinn arent ADCs? They are ADCs, just not from botlane.

Gnar plays like an ADC whenever in Mini. And Kennan and Teemo are hardly ranged ADs - both combined, they have exactly 1 AD ratio. At best, they are currently played as hybrid champions who rely on on-hit damage. Like, just because you can play Crittlesticks doesnt mean that Fiddle suddenly becomes a ranged AD.

General Esdeath Jun 5, 20178 votes

Graves and Quinn do not play as ADC's, they play as burst assassins. And those aren't off role, those are their current best builds and only viable ones in some elos.

deadlychuckJun 5, 201711 votes

This is because riot has completely flopped on their design intent and implementation of AD as a stat. With a little bit of the marksmen update sprinkled in.

One big point, is that the actual name of the stat is basically meaningless now. It's not longer attack damage, it's been inflated to just mean physical damage (bar a few exceptions). Which means you now have insanely high scaling on champions which were never intended to have it, and then the rest of the champions and itemization, being reworked to make up for this disparity.

I think a lot of the issues of marksmen abusing items, can be traced back to the increasing abidance of "AD casters", but basically just ability focused AD champions (when you say casters people think you exclusively mean mage or something). The arms race which it creates, leaves very little remove for designs which can be utilized against them, which they can't also utilize. If tanks can utilize it, then so can fighters. Fighters, are overwhelmingly AD, so their itemization translates, in part, to marksmen itemization. Even when you try to shift the focus to things like Crit, the core design of these champions is still AD, putting them in bed with most of the fighter, or "skirmishers", itemization.

WinTheWarOnPantsJun 6, 20172 votes

It does my heart well, too see i'm not the only one who noticed this. [zombie-nunu-tears]

KoKobotoJun 5, 20173 votes

DORANS SHIELD/ GUARDIAN ANGEL ON MARKSMEN ARE FOR COWARDS. YOURE A COWARD IF YOU BUY THOSE ITEMS ON MARKSMEN!

sit kidJun 5, 20177 votes

If it makes me a coward winning the game, I'd do it

KoKobotoJun 5, 20176 votes

I bet you're the kinda player that uses Sion ult to run away.

RalanrJun 6, 20177 votes

I'm not retreating, I'm taking the long way around.

sit kidJun 6, 20171 votes

In fact, I also only use Kled ult, Maokai ult and gragas ult to escape my enemies

kasfasJun 6, 20172 votes

Only way to use maokai ult anyway at this point.

Nameless DrifterJun 5, 20173 votes

As far as I know Dorans Shield will only get a total gold increase 400 -> 450 which seems fair to me.

Plus Dorans shield is only used by Yasuo in mid or top laners against Rumble and Teemo. It was never a popular item for melee's.

Electro522Jun 5, 201713 votes

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Plus Dorans shield is only used by Yasuo in mid or top laners against Rumble and Teemo. It was never a popular item for melee's.

I have to disagree with you here. Top lane carries don't like to take it, but anyone from a tank to a juggernaut loves it, especially if their going into a difficult lane.

Automated RivenJun 6, 20173 votes

As riven I always bought it against ren. It gave the needed sustain to deal with harass and basically left you unkillable unless you died to an all in.

GayFluffyUnicornJun 6, 20176 votes

Lul wut? Even vlads, kled, zeds take it. Literally everyone against a poke matchup.

DaNinadJun 5, 20173 votes

I still see vayne as the only one who is really "abusing dorans shield" right now.

JoseraphJun 5, 201710 votes

Item/Bug/Mastery etc is good on most champions Boards: Gotta blame Vayne/Lee/Riven/Yasuo!

DaNinadJun 5, 20173 votes

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Item/Bug/Mastery etc is good on most champions Boards: Gotta blame Vayne/Lee/Riven/Yasuo!

fam my highest mastery is on Vayne, no bias here lol

ThilmerJun 6, 20173 votes

I really, really hate when an AP midlaner becomes popular as a support.

One day eveything is fine, and the next day, BANG! Surprise motherfucker! Your mage is now a support, and two patches later Riot nerfs him/her because "a support shouldn't do that damage".

Voluug13Jun 6, 20173 votes

Bonus points for Riot reworking them a short time before for literally no reason, or promising they wont end as supports but lmao they lie.

ThefrostyvikingJun 6, 20172 votes

Duuuude,

ADC's love the item because it negates poke.

Thinking that marksmen wouldn't use it was just dreaming on your part, anyone able to guess would know that any champ that could would build it when having a difficult lane since it negates poke and strong early all ins.

And old Sterak was essentially a superior verision of GA, cheaper, AD and you didn't get hardstuck for it to activate.

And it had a shorter CD.

Everyone knew the marksmen were going to use it the moment we saw it.

If you want marksmen to stop using defensive items then remove the need to fight and poke early on in the botlane, then they will just farm until they run everyone else over anyway.

NielarkenJun 6, 20172 votes

If you want marksmen to stop using defensive items then remove the need to fight and poke early on in the botlane, then they will just farm until they run everyone else over anyway.

But that would mean all the mid lane rejects would have to leave bot lane. Malzahar Zyra Zilean Annie And that doesn't look like its going to happen any time soon with riot changing titles of these champions to supports and in Zileans case changing their passive to force them into bot lane like with Morde.

SpecterVonBarenJun 6, 20171 votes

What is it about ADC's buying it that makes it an abusive use of the item?

Envoy of MelodyJun 6, 20174 votes

Unintended Sustain, bonus damage on minions that are supposed to help Fighters farm, not ADCs. It ain't fun for top laners to fight against a lane bully like Quinn that starts with 20 ad in runes and masteries and cashes in free sustain against their already handicapped melee enemy.