"We're removing tank stats from items and giving them to champs for free instead"

Eedat·Feb 21, 2017·4 votes·1,461 views

I don't see how this could possibly go wrong

36 Comments

AhristocatsFeb 21, 20176 votes

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"We're removing tank stats from items and giving them to **TANKS **for free instead so other champions don't abuse defense"

MaeDoSanFeb 21, 20172 votes

So tanks then are played as bruisers ?

AhristocatsFeb 21, 20173 votes

played as bruisers? bruisers bring tankiness and damage tanks bring tankiness and utility and initation

please learn the game

MaeDoSanFeb 21, 20171 votes

[zombie-nunu-bummed] item 3078 ? item 3071 ? item 3025 ? item 3748 ?

AhristocatsFeb 21, 20172 votes

which tank is going to do damage with triforce? their base AD is fucking low which tank has tons of physical damgae? which tank has a strong attack speed to use titanic hydra?

RalanrFeb 21, 20171 votes

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which tank is going to do damage with triforce? their base AD is fucking low

Poppy is classified as a tank officially.

which tank has tons of physical damgae?

Poppy, Sion, and Skarner.

which tank has a strong attack speed to use titanic hydra?

Shen.

There are tanks that can use these items. Though I don't build them myself (personally I avoid triforce Poppy unless it's ARAM because it relies so much on me snowballing early).

AhristocatsFeb 21, 20171 votes

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Poppy is classified as a tank officially.

124 base AD at level 18, it's a bit higher than sejuani, it should also have been nerfed a while ago

{quoted} Poppy, Sion, and Skarner.

Poppy design is retarded, all of her spells including her Q that is her main damage is physical damage, and it's retarded because tanks ALL deals 50% magic damage/50% physical or 100% magic damage to avoid them using penetration effectively, her only magic damage is passive

Sion for instance has magic damage on his W(which is a lot) and E Rammus hs magic damage on R+W+Q, but converts armor into AD and has armor shred on E same for malphite shen and skarner, which is black cleaver on skarner is trash

{quoted} Shen.

There are tanks that can use these items. Though I don't build them myself (personally I avoid triforce Poppy unless it's ARAM because it relies so much on me snowballing early).

No one except shen builds an offensive/bruiser item no exception some shen players also don't build it because it makes him too squishy with his trash base stats

i guess we have to see how the tank rework will change things

RalanrFeb 21, 20172 votes

Poppy's design is dumb because she does more physical damage than magic damage? If anything that helps her (in theory) fall off against fighters because they build armor to nullify her Q.

And her W does magic damage. Her passive isn't her only source.

AhristocatsFeb 21, 20171 votes

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Poppy's design is dumb because she does more physical damage than magic damage? If anything that helps her (in theory) fall off against fighters because they build armor to nullify her Q.

indeed, because (first you have too much armor shred in this game) if someone shreded the armor of her target she then manage to get tons of bonus damage unlike malphite, if someone shreded armor for him he would do just a little more damage, same thing happens if someone shreded MR for him

{quoted} And her W does magic damage. Her passive isn't her only source.

this doesn't change things a lot, she doesn't deal damage with her W most of the time

RalanrFeb 21, 20171 votes

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indeed, because (first you have too much armor shred in this game) if someone shreded the armor of her target she then manage to get tons of bonus damage unlike malphite, if someone shreded armor for him he would do just a little more damage, same thing happens if someone shreded MR for him

this doesn't change things a lot, she doesn't deal damage with her W most of the time

So does Sion after he directly hits someone with his E.

The same argument could be made for an abyssal scepter or wits end for a magic damage tank. The difference is that lethality is broken right now.

AhristocatsFeb 21, 20171 votes

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So does Sion after he directly hits someone with his E.

yes? and he still loses some damage because his W damage that deals %max hp is magic damage

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The same argument could be made for an abyssal scepter or wits end for a magic damage tank. The difference is that lethality is broken right now.

i didn't talk about lethality, i talked about shreding which is a debuff in your case zac sejuani and maokai would be huge with abyssal or withend in their team and those champions are known for having damage balance issues

RalanrFeb 21, 20171 votes

I was referring to Sion using his Q or ult, both of which have high base damage.

TyrenFeb 21, 20171 votes

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which tank is going to do damage with triforce? their base AD is fucking low which tank has tons of physical damgae? which tank has a strong attack speed to use titanic hydra?

Rammus and Malphite can get tons of ad from their kit synergizing so well with armor, but triforce is terrible on them(except if they are stupidly far ahead, even then gauntlet is better)

A while back Nunu would buy titanic and sometimes triforce because of his e slow and w attack speed steroid. This only lasted about a week and in the upper master tier.

MaeDoSanFeb 21, 20171 votes

Most ad marksmen have 100 ad or below , so it will be more effective on these than them FYI

Asayake 5150glowFeb 21, 20171 votes

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which tank is going to do damage with triforce? their base AD is fucking low which tank has tons of physical damgae? which tank has a strong attack speed to use titanic hydra?

Tanks have preety good base AD. At least, Naut, Mao, and Poppy all get Frozen Fist pretty consistently. Poppy, Sion. Shen? I dunno

chipndip1Feb 22, 20171 votes

Poppy can use a Cleaver/Tri/IBG rather well actually. She's meant to build a damage item early after all.

ForgiveColourFeb 21, 20171 votes

Yeah tanks dont do damage at all xd

AhristocatsFeb 21, 20171 votes

they won't after MYTU,

Zero Skill TankFeb 21, 20173 votes

I think his point is "if tanks will get most of tankiness from their kit, what's there to stop them from building quite a bit of damage, and still being tanky (like bruiser are)"?

You can mess around with champions ability scalings, sure, but when it comes to basic attacks there's only so much to do without going extreme lengths. Riot can't just lower each tank's basic attack speed to 0.4 and base AD to 40, and expect them to somehow last hit minions.

AhristocatsFeb 21, 20173 votes

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which tank is going to do damage with triforce? their base AD is fucking low which tank has tons of physical damgae? which tank has a strong attack speed to use titanic hydra?

Mizuki ZahraFeb 21, 20171 votes

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MonkeyKing LeeSin XinZhao

EedatFeb 21, 20173 votes

None of those are tanks lol

Mizuki ZahraFeb 22, 20171 votes

Read wu kings passive it adds Mr and armor ...:O oh no a non tank getting tank Stats ya ok im pretty sure wu Kong is a tank with cc and an escape when things go downhill

RalanrFeb 21, 20171 votes

Only two-three tanks even have AD scalings. Sure there's RoD for AP bruisers, but I think they'll heavily weaken their AP scalings anyway.

Asayake 5150glowFeb 21, 20171 votes

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Only two-three tanks even have AD scalings. Sure there's RoD for AP bruisers, but I think they'll heavily weaken their AP scalings anyway.

RoD...?

Big LincolnFeb 21, 20171 votes

RoD of ages, of course

RalanrFeb 21, 20171 votes

Fml I meant RoA. I keep typing it as RoD.

LostFr0stFeb 21, 20171 votes

They're going to try it out. They never said it's 100% what they had decided on. Is there something wrong with trying to solve the on-hit tank builds that keep popping up?

dunder killFeb 21, 20171 votes

Weren't you the guy complaining when they nerfed Darius? So tell me how are you going to feel when Darius receives huge indirect nerfs because juggernauts don't qualify as tanks? So Darius who normally builds BC and then full tank items actually gets massively nerfed out of the ordeal

AhristocatsFeb 21, 20171 votes

first thanks for remembering me, while darius nerf didn't do anything he's now completly shit in high elo due to the current meta

second he won't be nerfed because riot plans to buff juggernauts base stats, though i wonder how it's going to be on darius since he has 100 hp/lvl and 4 armor/lvl

RalanrFeb 21, 20174 votes

Helps to prevent stuff like Tank Ekko from happening again.

MaeDoSanFeb 21, 20172 votes

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

BALDG1VEN BOOMERFeb 21, 20172 votes

Where's this from?

Critmaster GarenFeb 21, 20172 votes

i hope theyre keeping juggernauts in mind and give them the same compensations, as theyre the otehr class thats expected to build heavily into defense.

my guess is, they want to make more defensive steroids on tanks like leonas or malphites w with high resitance scalings, while maybe buffing some of their defensive base stats a little.

so items like randuins or sunfire get you maybe 30 armor, but with inherent % resistance scalings, tanks would get 50 armor out of it, and 10 more base armor and end up the same as before.

ErockandrollFeb 21, 20171 votes

My understanding was that they were giving tanks more scaling with defensive itemization. Meaning they would gain more benefit that others from defensive itemization, but losing that benefit if they tried to trade off for offensive stats.

Big LincolnFeb 21, 20171 votes

because the current items makes it too easy for carry champs to build bruiser and be bullshit with tank items