Assassins are in desperate need of buffs

M Schumacher··7 votes·1,695 views

And when I say Assassins I'm talking of course about:

Rengar - **47% WIN RATE: ** One of the most mechanically challenging champions ever released, requires exceptional game knowledge to get even fed enough to be relevant. Zed - 48% WIN RATE: Rendered useless late game due to broken AP items like item 3157 Kassadin - **42% WIN RATE: ** Need I say more? Talon - Horrible laning phase for how mechanically challenging and high risk low reward he is Khazix - **46% WIN RATE: ** HAS to snowball VERY EARLY to even be a threat come mid/late which is incredibly hard to do.


#Assassin is the hardest role in the game to play, and is currently the weakest and nearly unviable. Assassin mains will understand, anyone calling these champs easy clearly doesn't have the skill to play these champs. Support mains need not comment, thank you.

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Lajneen7 votes

+1 It's obvious that the only thing that's keeping Riot from buffing Assassins right now are these crying Bronzies who in all honestly are not important to the community in any way whatsoever.

Before Assassins were gutted I used to see Assassin mains carrying games purely because of their skill. But the Bronzies couldn't tolerate that, they were not skilled enough to play Assassins themselves so they thought that no one should be allowed to play them.

And thus, the nerf requests began, but were Assassins ever too strong? No, they were nerfed into an unplayable state because of these jealous, unimportant and extremely unskilled Bronzies.

Do what's right Riot, buff Assassins.

NERDSMASHER50006 votes

I agree. Mages do everything assassins can, only better.

BlacksSmokeCrack4 votes

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I agree. Mages do everything assassins can, only better.

With less skill and from a safer distance.

NERDSMASHER50003 votes

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With less skill and from a safer distance.

+1

iLuvCasiopeiaR344 votes

Trundle

Godaren4 votes

I main zed, it is harder to play but I don't think any of them really need a buff but kassadin, most are just toxic when they get ahead including zed so its prolly better if they are in a weak spot

Calabok3 votes

2 words: NO!

M Schumacher7 votes

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2 words: NO!

Mage main that only plays Brand, please don't comment on champion balance for champions that require skill.

ChargeItDownMid3 votes

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NERDSMASHER50003 votes

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Being hard to play does not make it okay for a champion to be overpowered. Champions that are mechanically hard have artificially low winrates because people don't play them properly. However, balance needs to be done independent of champion difficulty or else we will have pre-nerf zed destroying diamond games again.

Ryze is objectively better than every single assassin in the game and he is a mage who only needs to build two damage items to carry while being incredibly easy to play

Lugg2 votes

Ryze is about to be nerfed again. So that won't apply anymore. Plus he is WAY weaker early game than ANY assassin.

NERDSMASHER50003 votes

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Ryze is about to be nerfed again. So that won't apply anymore. Plus he is WAY weaker early game than ANY assassin.

#HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

you don't play ryze much I take it?

M Schumacher4 votes

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#HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

you don't play ryze much I take it?

Hes Bronze 5

Lugg1 votes

If you can't kill Ryze pre-6 with an assassin, you shouldn't be playing assassins.

NERDSMASHER50003 votes

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If you can't kill Ryze pre-6 with an assassin, you shouldn't be playing assassins.

1v1 me as any assassin and I'll play Ryze. Let's test this theory! :)

ChargeItDownMid2 votes

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NERDSMASHER50003 votes

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Which is why he is getting nerfed in continuous patches

60 damage off Q that's gonna matter to a champion with URF mode as his passive haha

(psst it isn't)

Subject 53 votes

I can feel the OP's and his friends downvoting all of the posts Lmao

NERDSMASHER50005 votes

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I can feel the OP's and his friends downvoting all of the posts Lmao

Yeah, totally. It couldn't be people agreeing with him or anything.

"Assassins are so toxic they can't be buffed! Bursting single target in 0.1 second is so cancer omg!!"

meanwhile mages do the same thing only the "single target" part doesn't apply to them while not even having to all-in or commit to a fight like say, Talon or Rengar

buff assassins for christs sake

Subject 51 votes

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I can feel the OP's and his friends downvoting all of the posts Lmao

I was right LOL

Shroom Junkie2 votes

The problem isn't assassins being underpowered, its them not being able to carry.

They're assassins, not ADC's or fighters, they don't dish out consistant damage. As for those you just listed, besides Zed they're all very high-risk high-reward assassins, unlike champs like Leblanc and Katarina and whatnot.

Katarina is a carry assassin. That's why she has a higher win rate than most. But, seeing as Katarina is still AP, she still has a bit lower than 50% win rate as she can't take towers easily(unless she builds AD which is rare). Though she can also just be walked away from when she ults, or CC'd, or just plain out Zhonya'd or Bard ulted.

LeBlanc is super safe. However, due to her only being low-risk low-reward, and AP, she cannot carry, meaning she relies heavily upon her own team. Hence her low win rate.

This is most likely why AD assassins have higher winrates, because they can take towers and they can help carry. Though unfortunately those listed have no way to get out of a fight. LeBlanc can dash in, take someone, then dash out and that's basically her kit gone for the next several seconds. However, Kha'zix, Rengar, etc., are all AD so they can still dish out fairly consistent damage. Though unfortunately they still lack the consistent damage of say, an ADC, so they can't carry their games. As in, they can burst a target, but then they're just a few hundred damage to this target and that target until their cooldowns are up. They're also extremely squishy and melee so they get focused and bursted hard after they engage.

Though something I do have a problem with is how you specifically avoided Talon's win rate. He has a huge win rate of 54.11%, and yet he can still carry. The sole reason why he has a higher win rate. His Rake and ultimate are huge AOE damage, plus he can just walk out with his ult after to ensure he doesn't die unless he gets oracle'd or pink warded, or possibly just CC'd before he can ult. His Rake is also on a low cooldown and he's AD, meaning he can carry through team fights, as well as towers. This is why his win rate is so high.

NERDSMASHER50003 votes

{quoted} This is most likely why AD assassins have higher winrates

name one AD assassin that isn't talon that has >49% winrate

Lugg3 votes

Fizz Nocturne Shaco all above 50%

MasterYi is above 49%

If you count the secondary assassins, the number is huge.

NERDSMASHER50003 votes

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Fizz Nocturne Shaco all above 50%

MasterYi is above 49%

If you count the secondary assassins, the number is huge.

If you build Fizz/Nocturne as full AD assassins you need to stop playing Fizz/Nocturne

Lugg1 votes

Nocturne has 1 ability that benefits from AP. Try again. As for Fizz, he can build AP or AD and do quite well. It all depends on his matchup and the enemy team comp. Shaco can also go either way and be viable.

TheI3igDaddy2 votes

-sigh-

M Schumacher2 votes

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http://static4.fjcdn.com/comments/Shitposting+will+never+end+shitposting+is+eternal+_ec7755aed92acd98c47ca5d606a8be35.jpg

Please refrain from spamming in this discussion when you main tanks which require 0 skill.

Beertaster2 votes

Jungle main here, assassins aren't fun, long live tank meta.

IcyPepper2 votes

Why do assassin mains hate support mains so much...?

Are you just upset that good support mains won't let you kill the adc? Seriously, what is it?

Craft Zeppelin1 votes

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Why do assassin mains hate support mains so much...?

Are you just upset that good support mains won't let you kill the adc? Seriously, what is it?

No we simply don't like this damn meta where you pick a tank and you say "LOOOOOL I can't die while I do so much damage using these new items (cinderhulk, devourer or whatsoever) rito made me while I initiate with my own will! i can also end the game by tanking the turrets as well!" The game is so damn controlled by this class...

M Schumacher2 votes

bump

Lajneen2 votes

item 3070 Rengar item 3070

M Schumacher2 votes

All these support mains saying Rengar is easy obviously are jealous they lack the mechanics to perform his difficult combo.

Mr Broken Wings1 votes

Do people really think meele carries are assasins? Master yi an assasin, all my lols.

Lajneen2 votes

He's a Fighter/Assassin.

Kinda like how LeBlanc is a Mage/Assassin.

There are very few champions that are pure Assassins.

Mr Broken Wings1 votes

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He's a Fighter/Assassin.

Kinda like how LeBlanc is a Mage/Assassin.

There are very few champions that are pure Assassins.

Assasins primarily are designed about high burst in a very short timeperiod while master yi has a dps oriented kit. I wouldnt compare him with champions like leblanc or zed/ talon at all.

Lajneen1 votes

Note how I said that Yi isn't primarily an Assassin.

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

Sorry, they all had a chance during the Assassin meta, it's about time they get their face off Season 5.

#All Hail The Tank Meta :D

Lajneen3 votes

Every role were equally viable in the ''Assassin meta'', people only call it that because it's the only meta where Assassins have ever been viable.

M Schumacher2 votes

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Every role were equally viable in the ''Assassin meta'', people only call it that because it's the only meta were Assassins have ever been viable.

This is fact. People seem to forget that ADCs were also strong as ever during the "Assassin meta" where ADCs were "useless".

Craft Zeppelin1 votes

The game of league now is basically slapping each other with numbers of cc or tanks I was real dissapointed when they nerfed the last assassin remaining in the tournament scenes on midlane which was leblanc Now it's just the varus arrow or azir troop spam you see these days. hardly satisfying to watch.

Yanking out the adc in game with a assassin was indeed one of the easiest ways to win and they needed to nerf it, but I think it went a bit too far.

Sasogwa1 votes

"Support mains need not comment."

Lajneen smurf?

Vistha Kai1 votes

Rengar - One of the most mechanically challenging champions ever released, requires exceptional game knowledge to get even fed enough to be relevant.

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Angry Monster1 votes

LOL rengar hard to play. You hit 3 buttons in the right order. Man you are doing the impossible.

Lajneen3 votes

Rengar's combo involves more than 3 buttons. Since you just exposed yourself as a clueless scrub I'll have to ask you to leave this thread since you have nothing positive or important to contribute with.

Its All Skillzz1 votes

You two are the best trolls on GD lol.

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