Ryze is no longer about stacking Mana, AP Ryze deals more damage.

Duke Anax··1 votes·2,712 views

While I think that the rework is ok or maybe too strong power wise, it makes me sad that his AP ratios are now stronger than his Mana ratios.

Ryze was really uniqe among the Mages with his Mana build, now he will go to the same generic AP builds that all of them use.

let's take a look at the numbers, with 1000 Mana his abbilities wil do extra damage: Q: 20-40 / W: 25 / E: 20

to get the same damage with AP you need: Q: 36-72 AP / W; 62 AP / E: 66 AP

While Ryze still gets some use out of Mana, it's a lot easier to stack AP, you get two to four times the damage per item. Even if you use Archangel to get bonus AP from the Mana, you still won't break even with stacking pure AP

I'm not sure yet if the mana shield is up often enough, to decide if the added health would be worth the lack of damage.

Or maybe item 3040 item 3027 item 3027 item 3027 item 3027 is the way to go now. Maximises Mana while still getting a lot of AP (and health).

5 Comments

Variks the Loyal1 votes

But if you want to be tanky, as well as do good sustained damage, Mana is the way to build.

More Mana means tankier items like Iceborne Gauntlet, and a bigger shield off Arcane Mastery, while still doing good sustained damage.

Sirsir1 votes

You do both, RoA, Seraphs. Gets you a lot of AP, mana for spell spam, and some nice health considering the Seraphs and passive shield together.

Plus now that you have a free max CDR and basically a free void staff you can focus on raw AP and defenses.

Cindikle1 votes

He never stacked mana to out damage AP.

He stacked it because he could get damage while building tanky. Such as Frozen heart. Which is now a bad buy because of the wasted CDR. He'd be better off getting IBG.

But I do agree. He is currently better built as AP with AP/mana items only. He'll be better off with item 3157 item 3027 item 3001 item 3003 item 3111 item 3135 as a main build now. Hourglass can still be traded for IBG/FH, but it's a lot of wasted stats.

Venowolf1 votes

The core Build for me on Ryze is:

item 3027 item 3003 item 3020 item 3285 item 3026

The final slot can be filled with:

item 3135 item 3100 item 3001 item 3157 item 3089

Personally found very interesting Luden Echo because the extra MS help to reach the W range, and the passive of Luden its very spammable on Ryze's kit, Deathcap is the most "to go" final item by the Raw power it brings.

SIayton1 votes

If you don't build mana on him, he goes OOM so fast. You need a combo of damage and mana.

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