Prepare for the zed permaban.

Dasdi96·Apr 19, 2016·132 votes·8,986 views

4/19 PBE Update

Qss no longer removes zed's ult.

173 Comments

Bronze II Yasuo Apr 20, 201675 votes

Duskblade
Zhonya Nerf
QSS No longer removes Zed ult
Assassin update in Autumn

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

Cryo00Apr 20, 201630 votes

Watch the assassin items get buffed/anti-assassin items get nerfed like "Yeah, we here at Riot feel that Assassins don't kill you fast enough/have too much counter-play, so here, we will remove Zhonya's from the game because it only delays your inevitable death, so now you can die faster without having the two seconds to think about it."

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

RalanrApr 20, 20162 votes

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Watch the assassin items get buffed/anti-assassin items get nerfed like "Yeah, we here at Riot feel that Assassins don't kill you fast enough/have too much counter-play, so here, we will remove Zhonya's from the game because it only delays your inevitable death, so now you can die faster without having the two seconds to think about it."

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Those exist?

MhihnjApr 20, 20164 votes

In the future we will be telling our kids about the legendary anti-assassin items ~~and the mana potion~~

RyzeReworkApr 20, 20166 votes

Mana potions? Never heard of it must be some item removed for no reason. Like green wards or something

Shac NorrisApr 20, 20162 votes

green what?

SoliceApr 20, 20164 votes

From what I understand, it used to give you health whenever you dealt spell damage.... item 3152

SyndrarellaApr 20, 201646 votes

That's cause every AD Champion was building item 3139 . Apparently it's taboo for Zed not to be dominant during any one patch cycle. I was already banning him 100% in all games just to forego the mandatory crutch hourglass purchase. 6.9 will just make me dodge games 100% if he's not banned.

I'd have more fun picking up fresh feces with my bare hands from the ground for no pay than laning against Zed by this point.

1000angrybeesApr 20, 201617 votes

I just thought of picking up my dog's steaming shit off the ground in comparison to fighting zed, and man

I'd pick it up with a god damn smile every single time if it meant that i don't have to see that shadow swapping mouthbreather ever again

Pierce The VealApr 20, 20165 votes

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That's cause every AD Champion was building . Apparently it's taboo for Zed not to be dominant during any one patch cycle. I was already banning him 100% in all games just to forego the mandatory crutch hourglass purchase. 6.9 will just make me dodge games 100% if he's not banned.

I'd have more fun picking up fresh feces with my bare hands from the ground for no pay than laning against Zed by this point.

It's still sort of weird that you had to build a magic resist item to counter zed...

Pentarina OnlyApr 19, 201635 votes

Isn't he already perma banned though?

SaiannaApr 20, 201617 votes

Well.. Tbh I'm not even surprised.

And no, I do not mean "Zed got buffed", but more as "retardedly overbuffed items get slowly nerfed in (once again) wrong places"

Like, what were they thinking creating an item that works for every fucking scenario? What kind of retard one must be to not see glaring mistakes? Or if it was done in purpose: What kind of retard though adding ADC overbuffed items will help with balance?

item 3139 75 AD 35 MR 10% Life steal

Why THE FUCK does it have 75 AD if it's supposed to be** utility-based item** to survive against heavy AP/CC?

Why THE FUCK does it have so little MR if it's supposed to be utility versus AP/CC item?

Why THE FUCK has it life steal? And 10% on top of that?

Whoever was in charge of ADC itemization rework was obviously Caitlyn main. Low skill, low knowledge and retarded ideas on how to overbuff ADCs while making it look rather OK'ish.

BisaknospApr 20, 20162 votes

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Well.. Tbh I'm not even surprised.

And no, I do not mean "Zed got buffed", but more as "retardedly overbuffed items get slowly nerfed in (once again) wrong places"

Like, what were they thinking creating an item that works for every fucking scenario? What kind of retard one must be to not see glaring mistakes? Or if it was done in purpose: What kind of retard though adding ADC overbuffed items will help with balance?

75 AD 35 MR 10% Life steal

Why THE FUCK does it have 75 AD if it's supposed to be** utility-based item** to survive against heavy AP/CC?

Why THE FUCK does it have so little MR if it's supposed to be utility versus AP/CC item?

Why THE FUCK has it life steal? And 10% on top of that?

Whoever was in charge of ADC itemization rework was obviously Caitlyn main. Low skill, low knowledge and retarded ideas on how to overbuff ADCs while making it look rather OK'ish.

didnt they change the ad to 65?

Rain NTApr 20, 20163 votes

I dont eve care about Merc Scim, My problem is that QSS cant disable Zed ult or Fizz ult or Fiora ult anymore... urghhh..

ProfDrDeathApr 20, 20163 votes

Why THE FUCK has it life steal? And 10% on top of that?

The second part is easy to answer.

Because items usually do not lose stats on upgrade, and Vampiric Scepter is 10% Lifesteal.

AMYS GRAVEApr 20, 20163 votes

I'm pretty ok with an adc defensive item having lifesteal, that makes perfect sense.

It has the same MR as locket, so that might be a bit low but its ok.

they just nerfed its ad, which seems like the right place to nerf it.

The QSS change though... idk about that.

Science FictionApr 19, 201611 votes

tfw you don't ban zed, and bait the enemy zed pick so you can play Morgana mid [slayer-jinx-wink]

Science FictionApr 20, 20167 votes

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tfw you don't ban zed, and bait the enemy zed pick so you can play mid [slayer-jinx-wink]

lol downvoted by a zed main

VasilisGreenApr 20, 201626 votes

why in the world would you pick Morgana against Zed? you have a deathwish or something?

McprowlingtonApr 20, 20164 votes

http://www.champion.gg/champion/Zed

Zed loses hard to morg. very hard.

...statistically, at least.

and I just love the matchup, you get a free bind if they try to ult you under tower and it usually doesn't end well for them.

Voluug13Apr 20, 20162 votes

Yeah because a competent, non-greedy Zed will Dive Morgana under tower, instead of pushing and harrassing her with energy based physical poke.

McprowlingtonApr 20, 20164 votes

I didn't say it was free, did I?

That's a major reason Zed is unfun and unfair, free kills, even under tower. Strip him of that and he becomes significantly more tolerable.

Hell, even if it isnt under tower you can still QWR and with some small outplay make him eat your entire kit as he sits there taking most of the W damage.

And if an assassin has to play safe and patiently for his entire lane phase instead of snowballing, you've basically won.

But morgs passive helps negate some of that poke and Zed will never be able to outpush you.

NuparuApr 20, 20166 votes

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why in the world would you pick Morgana against Zed? you have a deathwish or something?

either zed ults in thinking he'll kill you to be greeted by a Q+W+R or he'll just play passive and poke against morgana's sustain

yeah i can see why morgana wins

VasilisGreenApr 20, 20161 votes

He will all in you and just cleanse your cc and kill you like a boss. Dude, picking morgana against an AD Assassin is suicide. You have no tools to defend yourself before zhonya's.

NuparuApr 20, 20161 votes

If he builds QSS early you'll have more than enough time to finish Zhonya or RoA and then you're fine.

VasilisGreenApr 21, 20162 votes

Build Qss as a mage? are you kidding me? Why spend 1300 gold on Qss when you can spend it on a Seeker's??? What are you... what the... Dude, if you opt for a Qss as a mage you are completely helpless against Zed? With all the armor pen and his full combo you will die in an instant, you will never even use the Qss... what the hell are some people thinking...

Maximum MordeApr 20, 20166 votes

Morgana is one of my few reliable picks against Zed. He can't all in me cause he will die from trying. I can follow him if he roams because he can't kill me 1v1 at any stage of the game. I out sustain his poke, and wave clear just as easily as he can, better if he isn't willing to soak damage. I'm not sure why you wouldn't pick Morgana?

Handin Out NapsApr 20, 20164 votes

No mage beats Zed around here my man. Can't have logic when we're talking about Zed can we?

VasilisGreenApr 20, 20161 votes

He can't kill you 1v1, you can outsustain his poke and waveclear as easily... Ok, your W is good for waveclear, i agree... But how exactly is it that hecan't kill you 1v1? How do you outsustain his poke? Especialy in lane, if he hits his poke consistently you are as good as dead, you can't outsustain this with the low amount of spellvamp early. You don't really have any tool to defend against him. He can also get cleanse for your CC and just break any of your CC when he all-ins you... I think you are dellusional.

Maximum MordeApr 20, 20161 votes

When Zed tries to all in via ult, it is very telegraphed. Unless you are bad or laggy he should be appearing inside of a binding and not actually be able to damage you. You then drop the puddle under his feet, press R, and collect 300 gold.
Zed shouldn't be getting reliable poke on you since you farm the wave from range with W. The spell vamp you have, + potions and Catalyst on level up is enough sustain that you should never be in any danger of dying from the minor poke you do receive. Positioning is also important. You place yourself where he cannot farm the wave and throw poke your way without getting shoved to turret and slowly losing that turret to minion damage.
I ignored summoner spells because it goes both ways. Zed almost always runs ignite for a reason. He can run cleanse but loses most of his early kill pressure without ignite. Then, there is the counter argument that Morgana could run barrier, heal, or exhaust, and Zed loses kill pressure that way too. Cleanse also has a long cooldown. In the time it takes him to cleanse, Morgana is already at a distance that Zed can't put much damage on her, and her ult is incoming. Zed must either return to his shadow, or eat the ult and likely die. Either way Zed loses because he failed or fed. Their ults are on compareable cooldowns while Cleanse is much longer.

Yeah, if the player of Morgana is worse than the Zed player, she can lose that matchup. It's just that the odds are stacked in her favor, as evidenced by her winrate against Zed being 57%, which is higher than her generic 53% winrate in the mid lane.

VasilisGreenApr 21, 20162 votes

were exactly did you see a 57% winrate in morgana's favor in that matchup? And how is his poke minor? His W has longer range than your AAs and W. He can poke you quite well. You won't have catalyst before your first recall anyway and by then if he does what he is supposed to do he will have enough AD to more than just overcome catalyst's regen. Also, Zed must really missplay a lot to lose.

If Zed All-ins with his ult and dies he either was too low on hp or ulted you in your turret. Zed's mistake, not your skillful play. If he ulted you and you also didn't die, it means that either you were full HP and his damage wasn't enough or that he missed his combo. Again his fault. If you are good with sidesteping, props to you, you did well and deserved to survive and get the kill.

"Zed shouldn't"??? what does "Zed shouldn't mean"? There is no such thing as "Should" or "shouldn't". there is only "Can" and "Cannot". He can get reliable poke unless you farm with your Q from inside your turret and don't move an inch beyond that point and only waveclear with W. If you get any closer than that to be in AA range, Zed's W has 150 units longer range than your AAs, so he just slightly walks to you and unload his shit on your face. If you are good at sidestepping, good for you, if you are not or he is better with skillshots that you are with sidestepping then too bad, you just lost 40% of your HP. Be ready for this to happen again soon. So, up until lvl6, you either get zoned out or take damage for it and if you get too close, you will just die.

At lvl6, if he is better with skillshots than you are with sidestepping, you will be low enough for him to even dive you and kill you. He simply Uses his combo and if you survive it, there are 2 options.

He jumps to the shadow, R+Ignite you and AA you when he lands on you during E's animation, it happens instantly, you can't dodge it unless you flash, so, you will die instantly if you don't flash.
If you are close enough to the Shadow, he Jumps, Ignite and AA and he doesn't even have to ult.

Now, there are also 2 other options when he hits lvl6 depending on how low is your HP... For those, he needs to have his W available.

He straight up ults you wherever you are, even if you are in your turret, if you are with 50% HP or less
He uses one more rotation on you to get you low enough and then ult you as in option 1.

In all 4 cases above your CC doesn't matter because the way the 2 champions work makes it so you either die instantly or you die after you take the whole combo. In the case the deathmark finishes you off, your Q will have already faded and he will be gone.

Now, all that depends on the given player's competency with skillshots. In all cases he has flash up to follow up and/or W for more potential ways to jump around you. You only have a blackshield to block his passive and/or thunderlord's proc and it has a long cd so if you used it earlier, you might not have even that.

Also, as i said in another comment, consider Zed's skill cap compared to morgana's. Zed is also more popular. More people fuck up on Zed than morgana.

MazariamontiApr 20, 20162 votes

It's very good, and it seems like none of the Yasuo or Zed players have figured it out yet since they always think they're countering me or something. They're forced to roam because they're not going to kill me unless I screw up big time.

BeatzBoyFTWApr 20, 20167 votes

Just saying, her E only removes CC, not debuffs.

It Hertz When IPApr 20, 20163 votes

And it only shields against magic damage. Guess what Zed's primary damage output isn't?

TotalJerkApr 20, 20162 votes

He can't slow you and it absorbs his passive, so that's something.

XonraApr 20, 20168 votes

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tfw you don't ban zed, and bait the enemy zed pick so you can play mid [slayer-jinx-wink]

and then he just roams after you go oom because he isn't gated by mana, and just kills your side lanes instead.

SpecterVonBarenApr 20, 20164 votes

Honestly Morg still would have an easy time with Zed because she can just press W and kill the minion wave without ever going near it.

3TWarriorApr 20, 20162 votes

except then he is pushed to tower and you either have to forgo experience or take poke damage and potentially be killed as he farms for free

she will scale harder than zed, but if he gets any opportunity, he will kill her unless she builds the off-tank build

Handin Out NapsApr 20, 20168 votes

I'm confused how a melee champion is farming under tower and poking/killing you at the same time. You have the upper hand when you push someone into tower. That is why Morg can beat Zed, she legit presses one button and Makes it impossible for Zed to fight back, and a Zed who cannot fight back won't snowball, and a Zed who doesn't snowball is useless.

MazariamontiApr 20, 20163 votes

Not for a while actually, the nerfs to the w hit hard, its mana cost is huge and you're not clearing a wave in any reasonable amount of time after the nerfs to damage until it's level two and you have a needlessly large rod, at least. (Especially compared to zed wave clear). Nah the advantage in the matchup comes from your lockdown and the fact that he will push you into tower. They just can't help but 'try' and kill you under tower when you're low.

YOLO420SWAGSCOPEApr 20, 20168 votes

LOL rip everyone slowly removing weakness of AD assassins

StreetonApr 19, 20165 votes

and Trundle Fiora

NyanzaApr 20, 20165 votes

Jokes on them, I already ban zed.

A LiberalApr 20, 20165 votes

At least people can't be like "oh just buy a qss!" Anymore

LuggApr 20, 20165 votes

I know, this removes the ONLY real counterplay you had against a Zed. Riot is going to be forced now to completely gut him regardless of how much the Zed mains whine about it.