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Malphite and Garen full damage builds

creatureplex·2/29/2020, 8:17:40 AM·1 votes·2,820 views

I'm just going to flat out say it, has anyone realize how much damage a Garen and Malphite are doing now. Since when did these two champions become carries? Malphite going full ap, Garen going full ad, and me as a squishy adc no longer able to kite them meaning I can't 1 v 1 these two champions even though I should be able to considering they're tanky maybe bruisers, and that's exactly what marksman are supposed to be good against. Yet I find myself getting ulted and get deleted instantly by a Malphite. And Garen is just tapping me and killing me, like I'm just trying to figure out how this is balance? Because that seems very unfair to play against. Malphite and Garen are two very easy to use champions, their kits are two the easiest to learn kits in the game yet they're putting out the damage of an apc/adc and building like assassins and still managing to stay tanky.

I'm just flabbergasted at how effective it is. Like I feel honest to God that I'll never lose a lane if I just choose these two champions top lane and run with it. They're broken as fuck right now and I'm just wondering why riot is allowing this and why this hasn't been stopped yet. Honestly the first time I saw it I thought the Malphite and Garen were just cheating you know, but now it seems like the normal things to do is go full damage on these two tanky champions and win. It's ludicrous to me. I thought a bug or something but this last game put me at my boiling point given my whole team sucked but still the champions we're all fearing right now that takes all 5 of us coordinating against it to win are Garen and Malphite. Okay Lee Sin, Yasuo I get they're assassins they get fed they're broken. But honestly you can not tell me that Malphite new build and Garen's new build isn't broken as fuck right now.

Suggestions, nerf Garen's w and his passive and lower his base stats for health and armor/mr make him build tanky again.

Malphite, nerf his fucking ult already jesus christ, and while you're at it make his damn q a fucking skill shot instead of a go through the minions hit every time come on now? His ult is already game changing as it is, either that or how bout you buff Ashe's R to do as much damage and see how broken that is. I know he's not played so much but jesus come on riot wtf are you guys doing?

23 Comments

LanceTheJungler2/29/2020, 9:54:22 AM4 votes

Is an ADC supposed to be able to 1v1 those champions?

NemeBro3/1/2020, 3:50:18 AM3 votes

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I can't 1 v 1 these two champions even though I should be able to

No you shouldn't. ADCs shouldn't be 1v1ing anything but supports and low damage non-armour scaling tanks.

Helmight2/29/2020, 9:50:32 AM3 votes

If you nerf Garen's W and passive, he just continues to build full damage because he no longer has the ability to build defensively and feel good about it. He'd HAVE to build damage in order to be relevant. Your recommended changes would have the opposite of the effect you want. Prevent Garen from getting to you during the duration of his Q and you should have no problem with kiting him to oblivion.

Malphite meanwhile is not that big of a deal. If you know it's an AP Malphite (and that should be obvious by now), play safe, recall early, and know that he's going to go for an all-in the second he hits level 6. If he doesn't snowball, he won't be nearly as relevant as a tank Malphite.

Neither of these builds are broken - in fact, I would go so far as to say they're cheesy at worst and off-meta at best. Proper acknowledgement of what you're facing and counterplay will render both AD Garen and AP Malphite useless.

Pika Fox2/29/2020, 8:16:23 PM3 votes

If theyre full damage, they both die in a few hits. Hell, if malphite misses his ult, he just dies and does nothing. Hell, if his RWEQ only does 90% of your HP, he is useless. Really, its only great against players that cannot group or kite effectively, as theyre complete one trick poneys that just die before theyre useful in major content.

Sucction2/29/2020, 8:47:24 AM3 votes

Agree with a few points but want to add that no, you should not be 1v1ing Garen and coming out on top as an adc.

Malphite you could argue is a bit different since he's a tank, but he's specifically built to counter auto-attack based champions anyway.

I totally agree they shouldn't deal so much damage, Malphite especially should be building tank rather than bloody ap, but no, you should not be dueling them as an adc, that's crazy talk.

Sucction2/29/2020, 8:48:12 AM1 votes

Would also like to add that...

Ashe's R does deal as much damage!

Provided you have the same build, it has identical scaling and a bit lower base damage.

HideSide2/29/2020, 9:13:24 AM1 votes

Well, the thing is that Garen builds almost full dmg. item 3814 item 3053 item 3071 He has just this and while killing everything on QER he has around 3K HP even before lvl 18 while having 30 armor and 30 MR from W and another full dmg items making him assassin. He just needs two of these two items to be quite tanky while doing tons of dmg. I played him for chest not long time ago and when I encountered someone I killed him when they had problem to kill me when I managed to build something. Malph, its the same case. He builds item 3027 item 3165 item 3152 and has enough HP combined with free armor that he doesnt have to care about tankiness anymore and builds full dmg. Which can be even combined with item 3040 which gives him shield as bonus tankiness as if there wasnt enough of defense.

943721482/29/2020, 9:42:05 AM1 votes

Tanks and juggernauts have to do this much damage because riot decided to make assassins assassinate everyone no matter how fed they are so now everyone has to be an assassin or be useless.

creatureplex2/29/2020, 6:09:39 PM1 votes

Bottom line I'm not laning against these 2 they up top or jungle I'm an adc. Before garen built this way he wasn't a sure win but I could kite him manageable. Before malphite built this he was still extremely annoying now it's just outright bullshit. He's a tank but I feel I'm fighting an assassin when he's playing. I'm farming he ults from left field dead. I can't react that fast jeez. Before malphite didn't ult and kill me. Now he's ulting deleting one person. Then 20 seconds later ulting their is no counter play to that shit. I ain't going have shit for mr by the time malphite hits level 6. And because of his armor passive and wheel that can't miss it allows him to be a lane bully as well. So yeah garen and malphite need some fucking nerds cuz it's getting ridiculous and it's not fun to play against. Until then I'm afraid I'm going to have to dodge everytime enemy team selects one of these 2. I would just ban them but honestly they aren't being played enough to justify a ban. Just sucks to have a losing streak end and made to look like I'm a total noob getting owned by a fucking malphite.