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Shaco PBE Rework: Problems revolving the changes that need to be fixed...turned into rant

Ready 2 B Blamed·10/22/2016, 6:27:14 PM·17 votes·2,916 views

I am going to be brief: Shaco's damage has been gutted to a point where he's unplayable. I understand that he's meant to be more of a dps champion but you can't expect someone like me a Shaco main since season 3 to be enticed by halving shaco's damage, giving his Q a cooldown and not allowing it to affect the E damage, HALVE the E damage in exchange for a very small damage in percentage missing health that hardly makes up for almost taking his E base damage completely! His ratios did go down to boot. The Q is the only ability i'm fairly pleased with, I think you were in the right there but everything else is in shambles. His W's health now scales with level? Oh, this sounds soooo good, doesn't it? It really doesn't now his boxes tank a lot less. Maybe it might tank more in the late-game but at that point, what use is it? His ulti got an ability to drop 3 mini-boxes when it dies. Nice but... they die instantly in any fight, if it ever triggers I'll be pleasantly surprised. Also, there is a text in the mini-update for assassins and you can see for Shaco's description it says: " Shaco's clone drops three Jack in the Boxes and causes enemies to flee when it dies." When the clone dies or the boxes dies? Either way, This is WRONG! Shaco's boxes causes enemies to flee when they trigger! The clone doesn't cause them to flee, the boxes don't cause them to flee when they die. If this was an error, why does these things only happen to Shaco?

Riot: You constantly disrespect Shaco players or players that are interested in playing Shaco. We constantly adapt to changes that indirectly make Shaco worse and worse and now you are disrespecting him as a champion by getting your shit wrong, nerfing him directly. All for a few quality of life changes that don't do shit for him or increase his damage in any way shape or form. Please, if you truly care about balancing this champion, make changes that are healthy for both enemies and the player playing him. I'm not gonna adapt to these changes.. I'm either going to main a different champion or quit the game altogether. Thank you for reading.

58 Comments

ff4sk10/22/2016, 7:02:16 PM4 votes

Riot despises shaco and shaco players, I don't fucking get it, every time he somewhat becomes viable they gut him to the point he becomes unplayable.

Arakadia10/22/2016, 6:31:45 PM3 votes

Riot: You constantly disrespect Shaco players or players that are interested in playing Shaco. We constantly adapt to changes that indirectly make Shaco worse and worse and now you are disrespecting him as a champion by getting your shit wrong, nerfing him directly.

Then why don't you suggest changes?

Additionally, I haven't seen Riot "Constantly" disrespecting Shaco players. He is not at all constantly changed or re-balanced. You wanna talk about your champion getting nerfed over and over? Take a look at Shen and Rek'Sai. Rek'Sai is quite weak in low elo play. Rek'Sai and Shen keep getting nerfed due to pro play, not even because of normal play. Low elo Shen and Rek'Sai players have minimal control over that. So please don't act like your champion is always the one getting the short end of the stick, because you don't even know.

TheLastShadow4510/22/2016, 7:41:29 PM2 votes

I actually played the Shaco rework and I was doing to much more damage then you are claiming he does.

Saianna10/23/2016, 2:03:20 AM2 votes

Leon, have you tried AP Shaco?

Better? Worse? The same? Or gone forever?

The Yetii Rider10/23/2016, 6:41:34 AM2 votes

Interesting because that's the exact opposite of what those who are actually playing the rework are saying. (That his damage has been gutted)

http://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-feedback/fEfE7FPr-shaco-counterplay-seems-extremely-limited-if-not-non-existant

DarkRitual10/22/2016, 6:32:24 PM2 votes

They made him unable to just instantly delete someone.

That was kinda the whole point of the Assassin update.

You can't even buy pink wards against him anymore, so the only reasonable counterplay to his kit got removed.

MishaX11/9/2016, 4:51:00 AM1 votes

Sorry if it's not a good English but here are my personnal thoughts about How Shaco changes would have been 10 TIMES better (what i written in an other post):

"There was so many things to do with this Shaco Rework to put him at the same level than all the other assassin as new Rengar, new KahZix or new Talon... and a less risky pick:

Passiv:

10% - 30% damage from behind, same passiv than before (30% was before the 20% we have now), but it scale with levels. So it's a nerf in Early and a up in Late Game.

Q Spell:

Reduce the invisibility time at level 1 (but less than what they did) et up it at level 5. Early nerf / Late Game up. Give a reset to his Q, when we kill or assist, a total reset OR a CD reduction: ex: 12sec CD if kill/assist= -6sec on Q spell before the CDR application.

W: Make boxes invincible when we put them on the ground, before they go invisible. No need to up their HP and so on... only so the ennemi see the box but that a random AOE can't destroy it immediately or a single AA....

E:

Keep the same stats than before, but ADD +% missing HP. So Shaco is better in the Tanky Meta (meta that will stay tanky when we see the new Tank masteries, letality that is a nerf of armor penetration to make snowball less important) and eventually nerf slightly the damage at level 1 but keep the same amount than it was at level 5.

R:

Make the Clone less stupid, just as Tibber that becomes a monster when Annie dies. Instead of putin 3 boxes on the ground that a ridiculous and useless cause they have the same HP bar and can be OS.... when the Clone die he should make damage AND an AREA FEAR just as the boxes (W)."

Please don't forget that since Shaco was released in LoL, he only had NERFS again and again, the only up he ever had was gain more HP / level.... even the meta changes, jungle changes, items changes are nerfs in majority for him.

DemoGuide11/10/2016, 9:52:14 AM1 votes

I believe Tank Shaco recieved a buff. Bonus AD ratios were changed to Total AD, so Sterak +Triforce is kinda good. Not mentioning enemy missing HP scaling.

JQKAndrei11/11/2016, 8:06:21 AM1 votes

Can't you use Q every 2 seconds now?

WhaiiSoSerious11/11/2016, 9:05:28 AM1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Leon Crowl,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EJnM9b39,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-10-22T18:27:14.003+0000)

I am going to be brief: Shaco's damage has been gutted to a point where he's unplayable. I understand that he's meant to be more of a dps champion but you can't expect someone like me a Shaco main since season 3 to be enticed by halving shaco's damage, giving his Q a cooldown and not allowing it to affect the E damage, HALVE the E damage in exchange for a very small damage in percentage missing health that hardly makes up for almost taking his E base damage completely! His ratios did go down to boot. The Q is the only ability i'm fairly pleased with, I think you were in the right there but everything else is in shambles. His W's health now scales with level? Oh, this sounds soooo good, doesn't it? It really doesn't now his boxes tank a lot less. Maybe it might tank more in the late-game but at that point, what use is it? His ulti got an ability to drop 3 mini-boxes when it dies. Nice but... they die instantly in any fight, if it ever triggers I'll be pleasantly surprised. Also, there is a text in the mini-update for assassins and you can see for Shaco's description it says: " Shaco's clone drops three Jack in the Boxes and causes enemies to flee when it dies." When the clone dies or the boxes dies? Either way, This is WRONG! Shaco's boxes causes enemies to flee when they trigger! The clone doesn't cause them to flee, the boxes don't cause them to flee when they die. If this was an error, why does these things only happen to Shaco?

Riot: You constantly disrespect Shaco players or players that are interested in playing Shaco. We constantly adapt to changes that indirectly make Shaco worse and worse and now you are disrespecting him as a champion by getting your shit wrong, nerfing him directly. All for a few quality of life changes that don't do shit for him or increase his damage in any way shape or form. Please, if you truly care about balancing this champion, make changes that are healthy for both enemies and the player playing him. I'm not gonna adapt to these changes.. I'm either going to main a different champion or quit the game altogether. Thank you for reading.

They don't care cause not enough people play shaco/buy skins. He isn't exactly a gold mine.

They've been nerfing Shaco every couple of months since I started playing this game and they will keep doing it until the noobs stop complaining.

Personally, I been playing Teemo to see if i can fill the same joy i have for playing Shaco and unfurtinately that is the only other character I enjoy playing aside form Shaco. It did not fill that joy. Chances are i'll end up quiting this game again. There's really no point in playing and you never know if your next main character is going to be nerfed to the ground.

Riot does these balances so carelessly. They're inconsiderate and cator towards the noobs instead of letting them adapt to the way the game should be played.

This whole idea that tank/assasssins/adc metas should be juggled is ridiculous and bipolar. I think they do this on purpose to create specific metas for certain champs. It's not fun. And if they don't do it purposely then they need to reconsider their balance team cause it's a roller coaster.