Why is CDR such a free stat now?

LegitBacon66··61 votes·3,723 views

It comes on almost every core item in builds it is really sad. CDR used to be a niche for certain classes and champions to use in specific situations with trade offs of other stats.

NOW WE HAVE: item 3165 item 3157 item 3001item 3100

item 3078 item 3071 item 3142

item 3065

Might be missing some. Many of these items though.... its in all the core builds.

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Ahristocats28 votes

Cleaver, triforce, Zhonya, lichbane, abyssal

no fcking clue why those items have cdr

CDR has also made multiple champions falling off in late game, falling less in late game it's cancer

Fondling Gems6 votes

I get CDR on Trinity since it is kinda the jack of all trades item and has a sheen in it (Which has direct synergy with CDR) But I think it should be lowered to 10% with CDR stricken off of Stinger.

50000000000000008 votes

Sheen having CDR was a long overdue change imo. No clue why Stinger has CDR, though.

Fondling Gems6 votes

I think they did it to smooth out the stat boost Nashors gave back when Azir was big. Putting Stinger into Trinity was the mistake IMO. Recurve Bow would have made more sense.

Sahn Uzal2 votes

I know Jax mains ain't gonna agree with me, but I prefered to have the Crit chance over the 10% extra cdr :c

Mirkhail1 votes

You lost crit chance for 10% cdr, 25% more attack speed and a cheaper trinity. A more than worth trade.

Sahn Uzal2 votes

I'm a GP main :P Non biased statement is non biased

Mirkhail1 votes

Adc and gp were the ones who suffer for the change but bruiser who didn't build crit were buffed.

LordGeovanni1 votes

trinity force should have even its attack speed off at 30-35 % and gotten hp or while keeping crit. no body wants cheaper items they want stronger items especially with fighter being basicly unplayable except as tanks though thats not their role. any fighter thats playable is a champion with the name of fighter also able to do something from range. i prefered the ap on sheen but it makes sense that they took it out if they are phaseing out hybrid champions though there goes jax's uniqueness poppys uniqueness though if they do it for that reason mana should have went first as a good section of fighters who want trinity force are mana less champions.

Mirkhail1 votes

Tell me some manaless Fighter that build trinity. Jax, irelia, xin Zhao, vi, yorick all have mana.

LordGeovanni1 votes

read bro i said stats they would want but they cant because of the mana drain. Shen Shyvana lee sin would all love the stats on trinity besides the mana..... zed. while most of them are primary in another category all of them are supposed to have the option to go fighter.

The Yetii Rider2 votes

If Stinger didn't give CDR why would anyone buy it?

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Ahristocats2 votes

Casters aren't supposed to get their spells comming back so fast

without any drawbacks

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Ahristocats2 votes

You perfectly summarised how league was

Auto attackers have late game casters have mid game

letting them having 4 sec cd on their spells is just a call to destroy late game diversity

why do you think Ziggs adc is working so well watch imqt playing him in late game, he presses all his spells, enemies are 50% hp then his spells are already back

MrHaZeYo2 votes

Meh Ziggs needs to be able to tap into 40% CDR.

Think of it this way.

item 3165 or item 3174 gave 20% item 3158 gave 15% That Mastery gave 5% (or runes) so he used to be able to hit 40 pretty easily back then too.

Mages need to be able to hit 40% to stay Relevant or there sitting behind there team for 5+ secs after they're initial casts doing nothing.

AS ADCs get to get a shit ton of useful AS so why can't MAges and casters get the 40% CDR they need?

Ahristocats2 votes

he at least sacrificed damage by building lucidy

MrHaZeYo1 votes

Did he though? AP Items were cheaper so he got there faster, and once you get Void, Sorc Pen boots become less valuable.

Zhonyas alone gave him 50 more AP back then.

Ahristocats2 votes

Zhonya has nothing to do with this, it was broken

he didn't get +15 flat pen from boots so yes he was sacrificing damage

Warlord Dienekes2 votes

Cleaver was original (well not originally originally it was a completely different item for awhile) an item designed around being used by melee casters. Giving them the damage, health, and cooldown they needed to actually do their job.

Except damage, health, and armor shred is basically good on every AD champion ever designed so, now it's in a weird place.

GigglesO1 votes

Except it was reduced on tank items, don't forget that.

Karhtel1 votes

What's wrong with cdr on black cleaver? That's a core stat for that item. Same with tri force. Nothing wrong with cdr on that. The rest i can agree with tho.

hunterspec12 votes

they need to revert hourglass

Raven Redeemed4 votes

Not to it's original stats no. I think it'd be fine as 100 AP/no cdr item though.

Bishasaurus Flex5 votes

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they need to revert hourglass

I agree. Bring back the 120 AP and 50 Armor.

FilDaFunk2 votes

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I agree. Bring back the 120 AP and 50 Armor.

Turn it back into a ring

Derfel7 votes

Riot wants you to spam not think, it makes for more action and a more digestible watch on twitch for laymen and that's all they really care about these days. It started with Athens giving mages a massive boost in their mana pools to the slow reduction in mana costs for abilities (the difference in cost between season 1 champs and season now champs is quite frankly, disgusting, a lot of new champs nowdays have mana but basically never use it) and now we have CDR on everything.

ModAcademy Kayn7 votes

Because Mages scale on Mana, AP, and CDR, so I don't see why it's a problem to give out CDR when it's a core stat.

Fighters need CDR to be able to do their jobs better than a Ranged ADC, as their abilities is what seperates them from ADC's.

Tanks need CDR to be able to constantly apply their CC and self buffs, so they can do their job.

Also, it isn't "free", as it still costs gold, is put on situational/defensive items for mages, items which lost AP and damage in exchange for CDR. Times change, CDR used to be used for Niche champs/builds, but the Mage update made it more of a core stat for them (outliers excluded)

Pale Pirate2 votes

I lost AP and damage for cdr? Great! What if I don't want CDR? You are assuming that every class is always happy to get CDR. What if I want to play an assassin, say Fizz, with Zhonyas and Abyssal? These are natural assassin items, but the random CDR on them and the low AP makes the purchase of both prohibiting.

My idea is that if someone wants CDR, he has to actively work for it (see Morellos, lucidity boots, iceborn gauntlet) rather than randomly get it from items like Warmog's.

Mirkhail1 votes

Do you even play Fizz, he loves cdr and often buy zhonya and abyssal also they are defensive items for ap.

Pale Pirate1 votes

I was going to mention ekko or Leblanc first, but I knew someone would come over and say "they aren't assassins!1!"

Mirkhail1 votes

But both ekko and le blanc like cdr

Pale Pirate1 votes

They do, but they also like ap. That's why a lot of Leblanc have scaling cdr runes now, so they don't lose too much ap from their items.

SpecterVonBaren6 votes

Well ya see here sonny, back in MAH DAY people dn't hoot an hollar bout yer ley-thal-etea, they cried an cried till the cows came home bout not gettin all that thar CDR they been wantin ta gets from their items. So eventually Rito turned yeller and gave into their demands and put CDR on damn near everythin on the Rift.

The moral of the story sonny be you gots ta be careful what ya ask fer. Might just bite ya in the ass.

LordKentravyon3 votes

Oh shut up Ago threads complained everyday about not having enough cdr on mages This is litterally what you all asked for

ABlueQuaker3 votes

I liked 10% CDR on item 3078 because item 3110 item 3065 item 3078 was a nice 40% CDR for the likes of Jax and Irelia.

doiminat0r36003 votes

item 3050 item 3152 item 3110 item 3092 item 3025 item 3156 item 3100 item 3222 item 3001 item 3812 item 3060 item 3174 item 3504 item 3508 item 3401 item 3056 item 3115 item 3107 item 3065 item 3069 item 3071 item 3078 item 3083 item 3142 item 3157

Amasa Delano3 votes

CDR costs about 26.667 gold per percent point (so, about 267 gold for 10% CDR). It could be made more expensive, for sure, but it's not free right now. It's built into the cost of a lot of the items you listed.

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Tychusfindlay9191 votes

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CDR costs about 26.667 gold per percent point (so, about 267 gold for 10% CDR). It could be made more expensive, for sure, but it's not free right now. It's built into the cost of a lot of the items you listed.

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Fuck the gold cost, what matters is the slot efficiency cost, and you can get full cdr without sacrificing any slot efficiency. It wasn't so universal.

Handy Sandy 2 votes

well wouldn't it just be situational if it didn't give CDR, CDR is what makes it a core item?

Jesus is Savior2 votes

The real question is, why can't visage have 20% again like before?

Keevalroy2 votes

Because Shen rushing it against AD opponents just for faster ults made people ask "you know what, why does it have 20% instead of something lower?"

It was a rather high amount anyway, but Shen is an easy scapegoat.......yeah sure why not? Just blame Shen.

Jesus is Savior2 votes

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Because Shen rushing it against AD opponents just for faster ults made people ask "you know what, why does it have 20% instead of something lower?"

It was a rather high amount anyway, but Shen is an easy scapegoat.......yeah sure why not? Just blame Shen.

I liked maxing CDR with frozen heart/spirit visage so I could build actual tanky items after (Frozen Heart and potentially a mandatory thornmail both give zero health)

Now you're forced to either take runes, or build Warmogs, which.... Isn't that great anymore.

Irelia Bot2 votes

I though it was more an issue with Vlad and Sawin building it for the healing and 20% CDr.

MangelinaJolie2 votes

Because the boards complained about mages prior to the MYMU. Specifically about having to run runes for the extra ten percent they were usually missing by full build... and so they tacked it on to everything.

rafflesz2 votes

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Because the boards complained about mages prior to the MYMU. Specifically about having to run runes for the extra ten percent they were usually missing by full build... and so they tacked it on to everything.

Hilariously most mages still have to run cdr if they wanna go sorc boots. The ap on zhonya and abyssal are too low to build together, if you build both your damage just fails.

Champs like ekko and diana can pull it off but its interesting that neither builds morello. Ekko goes belt and lich and diana goes nashoor.

CatSith2 votes

Funny thing is that not too long ago people were complaining there wasn't enough CDR in items.

Are2 votes

People were complaining that there were too little options for CDR. That's when Riot decided to give CDR to a lot of items.

Also, it sort of became the go-to compensation stat whenever Riot nerfed an item.

invisiblecat12 votes

I remember when sheen gave AP instead of mana and CDR It was more balanced but wasn't as strong of an item

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