Titanic Hydra nerfs+Shyvana Nerfs=Gutted?

Deus Imperator·Mar 11, 2016·6 votes·714 views

Please tell me how viable is shyvana currently in PBE with those nerfs, so i can prepare myself and embrace the pain before the sejuani'd gutting hits live

7 Comments

Yordle XayahMar 11, 20161 votes

Yeah, because this game doesn't have enough 3.5K+ HP champions two-shooting carries with half their HP

ImpossibleGTMar 11, 20162 votes

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Yeah, because this game doesn't have enough 3.5K+ HP champions two-shooting carries with half their HP

That was literally Shyvanna's defining characteristic. She has no utility. She's all damage.

Yordle XayahMar 11, 20162 votes

When your defining characteristic is being a semi-tank on almost 4K HP that has burst damage, it's time to go back to the drawing board, because if you think that's balance, then there's a problem.

MorganFreemanBotMar 11, 20162 votes

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When your defining characteristic is being a semi-tank on almost 4K HP that has burst damage, it's time to go back to the drawing board, because if you think that's balance, then there's a problem.

That's actually fine, so long as it has the proper "counter play".

Shyvana, surprisingly, does. Her main gap closer is running faster, her damage is entirely melee (aside from a debuff she can apply, but the application is not what hurts) and her singular dash (her ulti) is gated by a large cooldown and easily cancelled by anything.

Yordle XayahMar 11, 20161 votes

When I say

being a semi-tank on almost 4K HP that has burst damage

And then the reply is

That's actually fine

Sorry, it's not. Under no circumstance it's fine for a 4K HP semi-tank to two shot someone. At least the Cinderhulk meta last year was about unkillable walls, not unkillable walls who can also two shot you.

And if you can't see this, then sorry: There** is** a problem.

ImpossibleGTMar 12, 20162 votes

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When your defining characteristic is being a semi-tank on almost 4K HP that has burst damage, it's time to go back to the drawing board, because if you think that's balance, then there's a problem.

That was her character design, though. She was created as a jungling tank, except instead of having conventional tank mechanics (damage reduction abilites, shields, hard CC and other ways to draw focus) she was instead given higher than average damage for her class. The idea was that she tanks by being an actual threat that needs to be dealt with.

Taking away Shyvanna's damage is akin to taking away Evelyn's stealth and calling it a fair nerf. It completely changes who she is and how she plays while making her significantly worse.

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Sorry, it's not. Under no circumstance it's fine for a 4K HP semi-tank to two shot someone.

That's simply not true. Let's do a thought experiment for example. Imagine a champion. This champion has 1,000 base AD and 5,000 base health, but has 50 base move speed. Would you play that champion? Because I sure as hell wouldn't.

Shyvanna has clear strengths (does a lot of damage, is tanky) and weaknesses (no real CC, no range, easily kited). She needs minor adjustments to bring her into line, not a complete gutting of her kit as well as all the items (like Sated Devourer and Titanic Hydra) that she relies on. She's going to end up like Sejuani and it's going to be incredibly sad.