You Know Mid Sucks When.....

Rainfall··43 votes·3,490 views

the best Mage in both solo queue and the lcs is a champion with a 2 second silence and a 3 second suppression.

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Edge of Daybreak14 votes

But boards thinks zed and yasuo are the problem. Did they even get picked once?

JacctheInsomniac55 votes

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Divewing18 votes

Welcome to Heimerlane, where we play Farmville for 30 minutes because there is no kill pressure on either side

undesirable team20 votes

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Welcome to Heimerlane, where we play Farmville for 30 minutes because there is no kill pressure on either side

donger has kill pressure now

Skins Project1 votes

Are you saying I'm the only person who rushes void staff flashes places 3 turrets while throwing a stun nade, followed up by w (And Ult if it's available)

An Undead brat1 votes

You probably are because rushing Void Staff is a terrible idea no matter the situation and Haunting Guise will do way better job at what you are trying to accomplish and especially on Heimer.

Skins Project1 votes

Dat wuz jok but oki

An Undead brat1 votes

THIS IS GAMEPLAY

NO JOKES ALLOWED

HELLO POLICE???

Skins Project1 votes

;-;

D2Vincent1 votes

Unless you're Karthus, since his turrets proc your E passive :P

Asudurga5 votes

This is why I pick Sion, it's instant joy for me, instant suffering for the Heimer.

iamthegoatofwar1 votes

Gotta say after all my bumps with heimer interaction with him has gotten even harder than before as a melee...

Walmart Porn1 votes

Hes not that hard to play aginst just pick something that can match the wave clear and dont dive. I just take ori or syndra and farm. Then when i teamfight i have much more presenxe bexause my ult will destry anything that isnt a 3 or 4 item tank. Heck on syndra you can just grab his dongers and throw them away.

Who is Taliyah13 votes

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But boards thinks zed and yasuo are the problem. Did they even get picked once?

Huni picked Yasuo top

Miror B2 votes

Few people have picked yasuo mid though outside of meaningless games with zero implications, which is where all the posts bitching about him come from. The sad thing about this is that those same people refuse to adapt their champion pools (whether it be picking things like naut mid or mordy) and will continue to do the same posts until the only viable pick is AP janna mid, in which case they'll complain that midlane is stale and needs more variety.

Eedat16 votes

Yeah the Finals at Worlds sure is a 'meaningless games with zero implications'

Miror B1 votes

Didn't tune into the finals, but would've heard if either crown or faker took it.

Eedat11 votes

......He literally told you. Huni picked it top game 2 of the finals

Miror B1 votes

In which case I refer to my original post, in which I literally said in the first line that I rarely see him picked MID. Not top, MID. Yasuo top is more common and is a known skill matchup into gnar, so that is viable.

MysticDreams121 votes

And look where that got him. It was an awful pick, just like they took Gragas every damn game as well.

OyddAWqJ5r1 votes

How'd that work out for him? Lololol.

RIP in peace SKT.

nm101015 votes

I don't care about either, but unhealthy design =/= strong. A champion can have a bad design without being overpowered and vice versa.

UnboundHades6 votes

Yasuo and zed can be outplayed easily

nm10104 votes

I agree about Zed (maybe not easily, but it is there), Yasuo can be counterpicked but counterplay is pretty non-existent vs good players. I believe Riot has already confirmed that a Yasuo rework is at least being discussed because of this.

Karunamon13 votes

Thank gods. The problem with Yas isn't his op-ness or lack thereof (I've seen Yasuo's both shit on everyone and get shit on), the problem is that he's just extremely un-fun to play against in a way that no other champion I can think of is. Even on the couple of occasions where I got to tear apart a bad Yas, it was still a boring, annoying chore.

Here's what the pregame thoughts are like:

Blitzcrank : Okay, stay behind my minion wave Ahri : Mind the skillshot, try not to stay in one place straight across from her. Anivia : That ice thing is slow as hell, just move out of the way Katarina : Can move faster than you think, watch your distance. don't stand on the damn knife Zyra : Step on the plants when she's not close .... Yasuo : Uggggghhhhh. I hope this guy isn't in my lane.

Flawless Fetus1 votes

Ye. They want to rework him because he is obscenely weak, but still such an anti-fun and highly banned champ.

ManWithNoBeard4 votes

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Yasuo and zed can be outplayed easily

Yasuo and Azir are the best champions in this game, They have no counterplay when played well

Doozku2 votes

If that was the case, why isn't yasuo constantly picked at every worlds?

Atom Knight1 votes

because yasuo is a dueler. Lcs is all about team play. Thats also why they don't pick jax at worlds either

Doozku1 votes

So he has a weakness? So he's not the best champion in the game?

EkyonKun3 votes

I think what he means is Yasuo has no counterplay when played perfectly in Solo Queue.

Doozku5 votes

You play any champion perfectly and they have no counterplay. Counterplay involves outplaying the opponent, which usually involves making a mistake.

If you want to talk about countering a good Yasuo, then there are a lot of options. Despite his high mobility, Yasuo has basically no escape. Combine that with his low defensive stats and aggressive playstyles and you get a champion who is super susceptible to ganks. Sure he can outplay but just land a CC on him and he's dead.

He's a champion who relies a lot on his windwall and whatnot for his defensive power. You can get it down and then you can trade more freely with him. It's on a 20+ second cd.

Outside of lane, focus him in a teamfight and he's dead, simple as that. Countering yas splitpush is the same as countering Trynd split push except with Yas he can't just spin away from everything making him even easier to catch and kill.

Ebolol1 votes

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Yasuo and zed can be outplayed easily

Yes I just love hitting skillshots on a champ that dashes through every one of my minions every half second.

And I don't even play mid.

SwiftKitten881 votes

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I don't care about either, but unhealthy design =/= strong. A champion can have a bad design without being overpowered and vice versa.

Shaco and Singed have absolutely NO idea what your are talking about

/sarcasm..

XxDRAGONsAK47xX1 votes

yasuo got picked by SKT

Arakadia14 votes

3 second targeted supression.

Salson13 votes

The scary part is Balance team being fine with this.

Idk, botlane being more important that mid is just somehow.....disgusting. And this damn balance philosophy even fucked up the Worlds.

Feathermane5 votes

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The scary part is Balance team being fine with this.

Idk, botlane being more important that mid is just somehow.....disgusting. And this damn balance philosophy even fucked up the Worlds.

2 champs bot. 1 champ mid. Deal with it.

Salson3 votes

No thank you, I'd rather have it fixed.

GayFluffyUnicorn3 votes

i mean you can count to 2 that's something atleast. What you can't do seems to be understanding of the game. 2 champs=more important than 1 champ is simply not how a moba works. Different classes with different powercurves. ADCs are botlane because they are or SHOULD not be able to solo lane. Supports went their because they can afford having no gold income. Generally speaking they are more like 1 1/2 champs than actual 2 champs. Or even one champ since supports pretty much make adcs an actual for the first 25 mins. Riot destroyed this and now it's not 2champs bot deal with it but 5 champs bot and the rest supports. And a lot of you can't seem to understand how much riot damaged this game by doing this. Completely throwing balance out of the window to jerk off to their botlane overlords. Historically nerfing and reworking dozens of champs for the same reasons adcs are complaint about and instead they get buffed to a point where it isn't even funny anymore.

Feathermane1 votes

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i mean you can count to 2 that's something atleast. What you can't do seems to be understanding of the game. 2 champs=more important than 1 champ is simply not how a moba works. Different classes with different powercurves. ADCs are botlane because they are or SHOULD not be able to solo lane. Supports went their because they can afford having no gold income. Generally speaking they are more like 1 1/2 champs than actual 2 champs. Or even one champ since supports pretty much make adcs an actual for the first 25 mins. Riot destroyed this and now it's not 2champs bot deal with it but 5 champs bot and the rest supports. And a lot of you can't seem to understand how much riot damaged this game by doing this. Completely throwing balance out of the window to jerk off to their botlane overlords. Historically nerfing and reworking dozens of champs for the same reasons adcs are complaint about and instead they get buffed to a point where it isn't even funny anymore.

It absolutely is how a moba works if you want player satisfaction. League had situations in the past when a snowballed solo laner could annihilate an entire team that had virtually no interaction with him up to that point. Contrary to bot lane meme spammers, that state of the game is terrible.

CM Calgar11 votes

clearly the average mid lane champion has just become a higher damage version of the support role.

Penns7 votes

Fizz is also better at worlds than stronger assassins Talon Zed because his ult basically = 5 second cc chain by itself hehe

PrinceOfStorms4 votes

really all we need to fix the botlane meta is to make an AP item that applies a targeted 5s disarm, being a new CC type that prevents anyone affected by it from auto attacking.

Now suddenly ADs have a counter.

Atom Knight1 votes

that just sounds like a blind to me

TheHappyReaperz3 votes

A champ with an AOE silence and a single target targeted suppression doesn't seem that bad. Why is mid lane bad because Malz is good?

Poske2 votes

Best mid is taliyah

Most of korean chall midlaners 70%-80% reached challenger by playing taliyah

But then again Taliyah has insane waveclear and can be an AD carry slave due to how often she can roam

But yeah malzahar has consistently been high up

I did make threads saying he has no hard counters a while back

Legit no losing mathups .. unless he is up against another champion which basicly has no losing matchups to

General Esdeath 1 votes

When I complain about Malz I'm told "just get a QSS" as if his E and Voidlings don't exist.

AwesomeGuyDj1 votes

Malzahar? I didnt realise he became meta again.

Have a Nice Game1 votes

3 seconds? When did he get buffed?

On another note, I remember all the downvotes for the threads by old Malz mains saying the semi-revert wasn't good enough lol

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