Can we please get stop with the bitching about Lee?

Jefftiffy··8 votes·410 views

I don't even play him. I used to play him a lot (not this season nor last), but the thing is he is pretty fucking predictable people. He builds all damage and is useless late game or he builds tank and loses his early game strength.

Predict his Q, it's pretty obvious when he wants to use it, and he can't do anything. He flash insec'd you? Well guess what now he can't do it for another 5 minutes unless you are really out of position. I feel much safer dealing with a Lee with W flash ult than I do with Annie because at least I have a reaction time to it and its pretty readable.

He falls off once someone builds their first defense item. And as a carry you need at least 1 even if its something like item 3072. And his late game is reliant on really good ults or a solid team.

Sure he's slippery, but if he runs he can't use it to go in. If he uses it to go in he can't use it to run. If he wants infinite energy he has to AA you. If he wants to go in, it has to be on a squishy. He also loses defense in order to put out damage because he has no really innate defense built in other than a small shield and the vamp portion is pretty useless in most fights and just sucks up energy.

Lee is a flex pick. If you can't learn how to use your strengths to overcome his flexibility, then its your fault he is wrecking your ass. He does everything, but he isn't the best at very much if anything. Most other fighters or duelists can easily 1v1 him. If you don't die to him, it prevents him from using his early game and you pretty much deny him any use other than his ult.

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zarxus12342 votes

maybe once riot actually nerfs this piece of shit champ then sure. but he is broken and stupid to play against

dunder kill2 votes

Shaco main complains about how Lee is broken. Kek. Much counterplay to that invisibility right?

zarxus12341 votes

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Shaco main complains about how Lee is broken. Kek. Much counterplay to that invisibility right?

Douchebag defending lee sin kek, counterplay to lee's ult kek

dunder kill1 votes

Yeah. You see him coming xD

Jefftiffy1 votes

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maybe once riot actually nerfs this piece of shit champ then sure. but he is broken and stupid to play against

Currently IMO new Warwick is literally a better Lee Sin. Hell I think even Xin does his job better right now. But as long as people like you sit there and ride the fuck lee in the ass train until he isn't viable, the meta won't shift. Lee is starting to be outclassed by other diving jungles and he is broken? Hell they took 100 damage away from his power spike at 6. Lee spikes at 3 and 6. He rises steadily till mid game then drops like a rock in late game. And they keep shaving power off his early game. The biggest buff Lee has ever gotten was the extra damage on kicking a tank into the enemy team, but that requires the enemy team to have poor positioning and Lee to waste his insec on a tank rather than a squishy.

Idk about you, but Lee is insanely easy to read. You just have to predict what he is doing and try to stay one step ahead of him. You can see when he wants to go in, you can see when he wants to run, you can see when he is going to choose to go in if he lands his kit. And Lee only does damage if he goes in. If he doesn't he does almost no damage. You counter his in and he cries. There is a reason he has fallen out of top tier jungler for awhile. Vi Zac Warwick XinZhao Rengar Gragas Shaco all do his job, but better. The one thing he has over any of them is the flexibility, but his kit isn't as well focused so it isn't going to beat them at their own jobs which overlap with his.

PrinceOfStorms1 votes

Lee Sin is currently a god tier jungler, just like Vi and Kha'zix. Of the three, only Lee has dodged nerfs this last patch.

Unreformed Shaco1 votes

They "nerfed" him previously though. That whole 50 damage on his ult.

PrinceOfStorms1 votes

Should have been a whole 50% damage on his ult.

Leo10241 votes

stahp complayneeng abot jaice too, yu no his shoot skilshut so dodge et, ezpz

Unreformed Shaco1 votes

He is tankier than he should be for his damage and mobility..

Nasus gets 20% lifesteal from his passive, Lee Sin gets 30% from his W.

Really don't understand why his ult has 2:1 scaling AND % max hp, while being able to CC an entire team.

I play him when I can't be bothered trying. His damage is just ludicrous early game.

dunder kill3 votes

Uh Nasus gets 30% lifesteal PERMANANTLY. Lee gets 25% from his W for 4 seconds at max rank.....which he maxes last lol

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

He builds all damage and is useless late game or he builds tank and loses his early game strength.

That does not stop the high pickrate he's still going right now. Or else, I would be seeing Galio in about every game.

Jefftiffy1 votes

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That does not stop the high pickrate he's still going right now. Or else, I would be seeing Galio in about every game.

High pick rate doesn't always mean broken or over powered. Lee has a high skill cap to even breach a positive win rate. The thing is he stomps people who don't cover their asses and have poor planning. He does well at coming from areas you don't expect normal junglers to come from, but if you predict it he loses all of his strength. You guard ur ass, you keep your peel and tanks up front, dodge his Q's and he can't do anything. He has to execute perfectly against well constructed teams and well coordinated teams. Its the reason he is really balanced. He's good in solo queue but falls apart in coodinated play. He mainly sees play in LCS for his ult combos.

Calabok1 votes

lets nerf Lee Sin

Jefftiffy1 votes

I think the funniest thing about this is how many people on this thread have had no past experience. The ones complaining about him are all level 30 with 0 emblems. So either its a bunch of people hiding behind alts or its a bunch of people with very little experience complaining about a high skill cap champ that requires some actual thinking to counter play.

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