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Please Buff Zyra's MS

Sugar Momma··70 votes·3,071 views

Zyra 's MS was originally nerfed to hotfix her when she was broken on release. The game's changed since then and similar champions to Zyra like Velkoz , who also has tons of AOE dmg but telegraphed skills and no mobility, have been released with higher base MS (Velkoz has 340).

Honestly, Zyra does not belong in the category of champions with the lowest base MS. Listing every champion with 325 MS:

Anivia , Ashe , Blitzcrank , Caitlyn , Corki , Ezreal , Gnar , Jinx , Kalista , KogMaw , Lissandra , Lulu , MissFortune , Nautilus , Orianna , Sona , Soraka , Tristana , Ziggs , and of course, Zyra .

Nearly every single one of these champions either has:

  1. A speed boost in their kit Blitzcrank , Jinx , Lulu , MissFortune , Orianna , Sona , Soraka

  2. Some sort of gap closer/dash/escape mechanism Caitlyn , Corki , Ezreal , Gnar , Kalista , Lissandra , Nautilus , Tristana , Ziggs

The only champions not to fall into these categories are Anivia , Ashe , and KogMaw . However, each has some inherent safety: Anivia has her passive and wall, Ashe has the ability to permanently slow her opponents, and KogMaw has EXTREMELY high range on his abilities/auto attacks.

Zyra has none of these. She has a very slow/and easily dodged root and a delayed ultimate. I'm not saying her MS needs to be much higher, maybe 330, maybe 335, and maybe even 340. But she does not deserve to have the lowest MS.

36 Comments

Cogito Ergo Sol 4 votes

Syndra has 330, so she's not the only one. But, I don't think Riot will buff their MS because of one thing. item 3285 's 10% Movespeed

Sugar Momma13 votes

Luden's isn't even core on Zyra, and she's mostly played as support where she won't have the gold to afford it.

Cogito Ergo Sol 3 votes

Don't get me wrong, I want them buffed because is dirty to see Ahri with 330 and all that mobility, and then Zyra with 325 and she's immobile, at least someone like Cassioepeia has a Movespeed buff. But yeah, Zyra should be buffed. Time ago I saw a thread where someone gave an idea for a passive rework, and If I am not wrong Meddler was interested, at least she gets something maybe :P

manbearswine5 votes

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Don't get me wrong, I want them buffed because is dirty to see Ahri with 330 and all that mobility, and then Zyra with 325 and she's immobile, at least someone like Cassioepeia has a Movespeed buff. But yeah, Zyra should be buffed. Time ago I saw a thread where someone gave an idea for a passive rework, and If I am not wrong Meddler was interested, at least she gets something maybe :P

I'm pretty sure that idea already fell though,it was silly to begin with. She's gotten nothing for years(to the point it's getting ridiculous,she is essentially discontinued),I don't see much of a reason for that to change,better buff le blanc,I think we all could use some extra cancer.

Tomatosx5 votes

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/lZwERUAI-possible-addition-to-zyra-passive

The idea actually made perfect sense and it was not "silly".

manbearswine2 votes

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http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/lZwERUAI-possible-addition-to-zyra-passive

The idea actually made perfect sense and it was not "silly".

It was VERY silly,there's a reason zyra sees no play right now and her passive isn't it,changes to zyra which aren't aimed at her actual problems are a waste of time.

Tomatosx1 votes

The idea was perfectly fine and healthy. Her passive is a waste, and it shouldn't encourage her to die, but with that upgrade she can have a second chance.

manbearswine3 votes

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The idea was perfectly fine and healthy.

No it's not,it's a reset,I haven't seen a healthy reset yet. Don't get me wrong,it's not that this would turn zyra toxic,she can handle it,but I wouldn't call it healthy.

Her passive is a waste, and it shouldn't encourage her to die, but with that upgrade she can have a second chance.

How does this new passive change anything? so now she should be encouraged to die?

But again,this isn't the point,the new passive is mildly obnoxious but not something too terrible,the issue is that zyra right now is incredibly unpopular,taric is played more,her issues are that she is worthless against opponents who can properly capitalize on her weaknesses(which since she is played so rarely there aren't many of those,but there are enough of them to make people drop zyra rather fast after trying her) while not being strong enough to justify picking her against people who fail to capitalize on them.

The proposed passive change won't change that,and it's a waste of time to see that a champion is clearly having problems but instead doing changes which won't help with them,what's the point of this passive? to make her pickrate go from 1.75% to 2%? while also making her more annoying to play against for no reason?

If you are going to make changes to zyra,target her actual problems,either buff her strengths to make her a decent niche pick,or reduce her weaknesses to make it sensible to pick her,anything else is just pointless.

Tomatosx2 votes

Oh, I came across wrong I agree with what you are saying I never meant that the passive change was it and that she would be balanced etc, I'm just saying it's a step in the right direction and she needs to be looked at.

manbearswine4 votes

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Oh, I came across wrong I agree with what you are saying I never meant that the passive change was it and that she would be balanced etc, I'm just saying it's a step in the right direction and she needs to be looked at.

The issue is that historically they simply had more than enough time to buff zyra if they actually intended to.

Every single support(and I mean EVERY single support) has gotten something by now,zilean got a rework and some buffs(Yes,work can have poor results,but at least he is being looked into),karma got some rebalancing,taric got a mana reduction on his heal/etc(EVERY SINGLE SUPPORT),zyra-nothing.

I mean after the nerfs certaintlyT(and to be honest,as much as I hate him for other things,I hate him the most for this),made an exceptionally dishonest post(frankly,it was filled with blatant lies,clearly an attempt to buy time) about her "current issues" and that they are keeping an eye on her,considering she's been shit for years,I'm guessing that was a lie as well(surprise,surprise),meddler suddenly commenting about the least serious(Pretty much any other thread was aimed at actually helping her with some of her issues,the one about her passive was the least so) seems in the spirit of "let's buy some time till people forget she exists again".

Tomatosx1 votes

who doesn't hate him lol

FistOfSharkiesha2 votes

Yeah Zyra's circumstances are what warrants the MS buff the most. She's forced to rush an income item, then a sightstone, and by the time she gets boots or even fully built boots like sorceror's shoes, everyone else has the item and will outspeed her very easily. She's brutally outmaneuvered at every point in the game.

YuGiHo1 votes

Even if she could afford it i dont think its that good an item on her, she waste potential futer charges if she is already at 100 because she has to cast her flower buds first. the damage would trigger on her first damage spell but by then she already cast anywhere between 2-3 spells that could not proc ludens because they did no damage.

SAIZOxRYOMA3 votes

um... plants dont knwo how to walk... so zyra walks slowly because she is learning like a toddler... duh.

Exta5y2 votes

I support this

AtheismIsStupid2 votes

As someone who has been playing Zyra mid like crazy in the past couple of weeks... I do agree to a point that it would be good if she got a slight boost in move speed. However... as others have pointed out when one builds Luden's Echo and/or Rylai's the movement speed actually becomes a non-issue for the most part.

I don't consider her an 'easy' champion to play well as managing her seed count in addition to proper positioning makes it a challenge to succeed consistently with her.

But I do agree, if she got even +5 MS or a numbers change to her kit to compensate from annoying mobile midlaners like yasuo & azir it would make it easier to actually trade instead of being bullied out of lane over and over.

Sugar Momma4 votes

Zyra is already immobile enough. Having the lowest MS on top of that is kind of a slap to the face.

Jungle Lux God2 votes

The biggest argument that Zyra would have for having such low movement speed is that she has such a reliable disengage tool in her E. Is that a big enough argument for leaving Zyra with a measely 325 movement speed? Probably not, but since I don't regularly play Zyra I wouldn't really know.

Sugar Momma4 votes

Have you ever played Zyra? Her E is anything but "reliable."

Jungle Lux God2 votes

I have, but I don't play her regularly.

When I last played her, her E was very easy to hit in melee range. She's never purposely going to be in melee range, but when enemy melees dive her she can disengage from them fairly easily, not to mention she also has pretty decent, if not good, range on her abilities.

Sugar Momma4 votes

The range on her abilities is medium, at best. Her Q has 800 range and R has 700 range. Her E has 1150 range but is almost impossible to hit at max range.

I'm not sure what elo you play at, but at higher elo people will sidestep your root fairly easily. You can also flash it easily (or use any kind of blink/dash your champ may have). It's also hard to hit if someone is directly on top of you.

The Bíg Ticket1 votes

Would agree with that...even safe champs like Xerath have 340ms.

Lalaboxx1 votes

Agreed.

Monsta Moo1 votes

Yes, I'm also curious as to what is happening with her passive. Not too long ago someone posted a real cool upgrade for it, and Riot liked it. They said it may make it, or something similar, in the future.

Jefftiffy1 votes

I honestly will tell you I wish Riot would stop with the stupid % MS. It makes more mobile champs more mobile than it makes less mobile champs. It may one be a few points but it matters. It means that each item actually has different gold efficiency for each champ. Then they can't sit there and go but buffing their base MS may make other items broken on them.

GankLord1 votes

Her passive needs to be changed before MS as a zyra main riot needs to either revert her passive to how it was before or change it to that one suggestion where she is revived if she manages to kill someone with her passive at the spot of the dead champion.

S2C2Xd9KOy2 votes

KateyKhaos I believe replied to the post suggesting that and said she would mention it to other Rioters so I mean theres some potential.

PopCorn Chick3n2 votes

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KateyKhaos I believe replied to the post suggesting that and said she would mention it to other Rioters so I mean theres some potential.

I really hope riots will consider some changes to her. Thank you for letting us know C:

S2C2Xd9KOy1 votes

As someone who loves to play Zyra and just surprise people with her damage, I totally agree. The beginning of the game without boots she's just frustratingly slow..and because of her running animation, she seems even slower... It's like slow motion lol

EnergyDildo1 votes

Am I still banned?

Edit: Wow cool, it's been a lifetime already. My indefinite ban has been lifted. Who wants to help me get it back?

FantasySniper1 votes

Her MS is a healthy weakness.

What they really need to do is get her a better passive.

Sugar Momma2 votes

That's fine and all but Zyra already has a LOT of other weaknesses built into her kit. Hard-to-land abilities, high cooldown on her ult/e, high mana costs, extremely low health pool, very low base armor, zero mobility, etc.

FantasySniper1 votes

There's a reason why she has each of those "weaknesses", and they can be played around to great effect. She's a hard-hitting lane bully that makes it difficult for you to get close, but when you finally do, it should be easy for you to take her out.

There are much healthier buffs you can do to improve her.

Ryvaku1 votes

Movespeed quints. Buy them.

Saianna4 votes

That doesn't really solve anything... She just sacrifices 3 off/def quints for ms quints.

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