Let's be honest: Sejuani is overpowered

Big Lincoln·May 11, 2017·11 votes·2,502 views

https://i.gyazo.com/34c372e756f0819501798eea219ac2e6.png

you can't defend this, sejuani is broken as shit right now, hard carried this team without even getting majorly fed out of lane. hop on this gravy train while you can, sejuani is the truest freelo you've ever seen

She either needs to lose some of her CC or some of her damage; she has way too much of both. Raising the cost on her W by 10 isn't going to do anything when she buys first back and proceeds to win every trade. She has ridiculously high kill pressure in lane thanks to her double-Shatter combo

nurf pls

33 Comments

SexualsaurusMay 11, 20175 votes

I think its just her mixed damage honestly, if she did magic damage instead of physical on her W she would be more easy to counter in lane.

AhristocatsMay 11, 20174 votes

[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EE1MhiQe,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-05-11T23:00:39.234+0000)

https://i.gyazo.com/34c372e756f0819501798eea219ac2e6.png

i can give you a screenshot of a game where i destroyed sejuani too i don't understand the point of doing this

[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EE1MhiQe,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-05-11T23:00:39.234+0000)

you can't defend this, sejuani is broken as shit right now, hard carried this team without even getting majorly fed out of lane. hop on this gravy train while you can, sejuani is the truest freelo you've ever seen

10/10 argument, would recommand

[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EE1MhiQe,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-05-11T23:00:39.234+0000)

She either needs to lose some of her CC or some of her damage; she has way too much of both. Raising the cost on her W by 10 isn't going to do anything when she buys first back and proceeds to win every trade.

sure thing sherlock

[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EE1MhiQe,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-05-11T23:00:39.234+0000)

She has ridiculously high kill pressure in lane thanks to her double-Shatter combo

that deals 20% of your hp how do you do the remaining 80%? her base AS+AD were nerfed

this thread is a joke, basically what you're saying is

"sejuani is broken because i said so" then proceds to get upvoted

Big LincolnMay 11, 20176 votes

because i had no reason to get that fed when i had 0 kills in lane and was down farm

"sejuani is broken because i said so"

sejuani is broken because she has too much CC, even for single-target standards, and way too much damage for a tank. she is extremely overtuned, not that difficult to grasp.

i know you've got a big hard-on for this rework even though you don't and will never play her, but she's too good atm

AhristocatsMay 11, 20173 votes

[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EE1MhiQe,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2017-05-11T23:25:14.399+0000)

because i had no reason to get that fed when i had 0 kills in lane and was down farm

i don't understand what you don't get by "a single game doesn't matter"

[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EE1MhiQe,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2017-05-11T23:25:14.399+0000)

sejuani is broken because she has too much CC, even for single-target standards, and way too much damage for a tank.

she has a knockup that was nerfed to 0.5 sec, a single target stun, and her ult is only a single target stun now and the duration is garbage for an ult

[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EE1MhiQe,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2017-05-11T23:25:14.399+0000)

she is extremely overtuned, not that difficult to grasp.

it is when i read this thread, nothing has been said since the entire begining

[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EE1MhiQe,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2017-05-11T23:25:14.399+0000)

i know you've got a big hard-on for this rework even though you don't and will never play her, but she's too good atm

because a rework can be good for enemies too, but apparently this is something that cannot be understood by lower IQ people idk why i love to fight this sejuani because her damage is actually garbage that it isn't enough to kill a mordekaiser who has the trashest base stats of the game her damage is also delayed especially with ult her Q is only single target now, which means you can block it to save an ally unlike gragas E that is AOE her tank steroid is a massive window of power

i'm sorry that you no longer enjoy your main, i also don't enjo talon anymore but i acknowledge that talon rework was better for the greater good just like you should acknowledge it for sejuani

https://youtu.be/NsPDOMLnKq0?t=47

Big LincolnMay 11, 20174 votes

it's more than a single game, i almost never do bad w/ this champ now. even in lanes that i have no business winning or going even in. only times i've lost lane after figuring out the build are when i get camped

she has a knockup that was nerfed to 0.5 sec, a single target stun, and her ult is only a single target stun now and the duration is garbage for an ult

4.5 seconds total is pretty ridiculous. w/ melee teammates her single target stun can be reapplied to multiple people in a fight, but that doesn't really matter when she's stunlocked and bursted one person out of the fight.

it is when i read this thread, nothing has been said since the entire begining

said it in the OP that she has too much CC and too much damage. whether or not it's single target doesn't matter; 4.5 second lockdown is ridiculous, especially when she can make it unavoidable and your only answer is to disengage her asap (not to mention her ult slows for up to 5 seconds for everyone else). at least Morgana snare can be dodged anywhere except for point blank; sej point and clicks you after standing in your face for 2 seconds, and you're fucked. even harder to do something about it when she abuses titanic reset.

part of what makes her early laning so oppressive is the fact that she can combo, stun, then pop it and Q away, similar to renekton but she's also mixed damage so you can't just buy one defensive stat. she doesn't become problematic until she has a few levels in her W, but then she becomes a very strong lane bully capable of whittling you down before all-inning you and forcing flash or death. and if you want to play like a bitch then she can just shove constantly, her lane control is very good because of being able to knockback the entire wave, which also makes it hard to shove her into turret to deny farm when she can just push it back out of tower range.

because a rework can be good for enemies too, but apparently this is something that cannot be understood by lower IQ people idk why

why do you say "10/10 argument" and then resort to adhom? i've had not a single person tell me Sej feels fair or fun to play against, and we're almost 2 weeks into the rework now.

https://youtu.be/NsPDOMLnKq0?t=47

neat, sejuani can't 1v2 at level 3. she didn't play that well.

w/e, keep defending this. i'll just keep spamming her for free LP

LankPantsMay 12, 20172 votes

it is when i read this thread, nothing has been said since the entire begining

That's funny, because ever since you've been posting on Sejuani you've said literally nothing.

PennsMay 11, 20171 votes

I mean... are you trying to say she isnt?

Meep ManMay 11, 20173 votes

I mean, yeah, I think they notice that. They've been nerfing her since release.

Big LincolnMay 11, 20173 votes

She's had one hotfix nerf and it did very little, if anything

all they have on the PBE is raising W's cost to 90, which, again, won't curb her unfair damage output when it actually comes into play around level 5, because of Sheen being her first item in nearly all matchups

Glory ln DeathMay 12, 20178 votes

The hotfix dropped her winrate by 3%... That's a pretty significant effect.

Big LincolnMay 12, 20171 votes

and she's still too good

so she needs more nerfs

LankPantsMay 12, 20173 votes

Claiming it did "very little, if anything" is a flat out lie though. The nerf was certainly significant regardless of whether it was enough.

Glory ln DeathMay 12, 20172 votes

And she has more nerfs on the PBE.

LostFr0stMay 11, 20172 votes

So, you're actually asking for a nerf so she makes it through ban phase more right?

Big LincolnMay 12, 20174 votes

im asking for a nerf because she's overtuned

LostFr0stMay 12, 20171 votes

Good thing they at least did that hotfix so far^^. She has other nerfs on S@20 (you probably already saw them), should be good by next patch. It's Zac I'll be worried about now, they added a lot of power to him and people are used to the new casts now.

EmperorPenguMay 13, 20171 votes

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Good thing they at least did that hotfix so far^^. She has other nerfs on S@20 (you probably already saw them), should be good by next patch. It's Zac I'll be worried about now, they added a lot of power to him and people are used to the new casts now.

I'm happy about the zac buffs it will boost my kda past the point of to high (it's a 5 right now)

LostFr0stMay 13, 20171 votes

Might not get to play him as much though...

LankPantsMay 12, 20173 votes

Ya know, I'd like to be able to play my main from time to time.

SohleksMay 12, 20172 votes

I'm not saying they should gut her passive's base resistance so she can't possibly get away with some dueling builds, but they should lower it before it's all she has left. There's no thematic reason why she's ultra tank for 3 seconds in particular, and it just kinda reeks of Malzahar's passive stretched out 3 seconds. And look how much a problem that has been.

Tone it down before her kit is " immortal target dummy for 3 seconds" because of a passive that doesn't even make sense. It can be strong without being a play altering effect.

DivewingMay 12, 20171 votes

As abhorrent as that shield was, malz is a different champion. The main problem that shield did was remove/mask his weakness (engaging when he's unprepared and/or getting poked out of lane).

Sejuani is kinda meant to meatshield, so at the least BS resistances are RELEVANT

ArakadiaMay 12, 20172 votes

I thought you couldn't double shatter.

Also one game doesn't represent Sejuanj very well.

Big LincolnMay 12, 20171 votes

E-R procs and applies the shatter debuff, which you can then proc with the usual means

early game you do want to E-back up-R because the stun isn't long enough for W or to auto and then back up, but you'll still do a very big chunk of damage. it's how i get a lot of kills

and many of my games are like this, you can check my match history. ignore the latest one; taliyah jungle pick tilted me from the start and i played sloppy.

ArakadiaMay 12, 20171 votes

I thought once you hit them with R and shattered them you couldn't give them frost marks to allow you to stun them and shatter them again.

Big LincolnMay 12, 20171 votes

Right, that's why you use your E stun first, because you can do E->R, but not R->E. example would be

AA-W-AA-E-(walk back)-R-Q, where R will apply the shatter from E, and then Q will apply the shatter from R.

it's a really annoying interaction but it's what we've got to work with for now. that's basically the double shatter combo.

ArakadiaMay 12, 20171 votes

I C ty for putting up with me.

Ben SharpioMay 11, 20171 votes

can we just nerf ivern while we're at it. Like, i dont mean nerf, but i mean literally destroy ivern and leave him on the curb forever.

Sexy Jack RabbitMay 12, 20171 votes

Well... duh? She already has nerfs lined up.

LankPantsMay 12, 20171 votes

Raising the cost on her W by 10 isn't going to do anything when she buys first back and proceeds to win every trade.

Is this even a thing? As far as I can tell it's not on the PBE right now. I'm fairly sure that the only mana cost nerfs were the ones that came through in the hotfix. As far as I can tell there aren't Sejuani nerfs on the PBE considering the increased passive CD listed on S@20 is already live.

Big LincolnMay 12, 20171 votes

I could have sworn I saw it was being raised to 90, my mistake

Akali is SO HOTMay 12, 20171 votes

tfw Ivern is a better support than the support

Big LincolnMay 12, 20171 votes

ivern just sat behind me and shielded for free assists lel

TEKadeoMay 14, 20171 votes

She is strong, I don't think overpowered. Some people just haven't figured out how to deal with her. Plus she traded her old team fighting kit to be one of the best duelists/skirmishers and people don't realize... but her team fight is so much more lame now.