E max nasus ought to be addressed

Tychusfindlay919·Dec 5, 2016·10 votes·2,321 views

Not because it's broken, but rather, it's incredibly frustrating to play against for many people.

In order to keep nasus mostly intact, here's what I would recommend.

Remove the massive nuke that occurs at the beginning of spirit fire. An undodgeable large AoE nuke is stupid in and of itself. Increase the base damage per tick for every level of E. This way nasus's E damage doesn't change at all but the damage is spread out through the duration of the E instead of having a big chunk of it being frontloaded to the very beginning.

Anyone who wants to E max nasus will still be able to push the wave hard, but will no longer be able to do everything safely, especially poking an enemy out with little to no counterplay.

That being said, something needs to be done to either slow down the pace of the game so that Q max nasus doesn't feel shitty or so that nasus gets more of an incentive to invest in his Q early (essentially, buff the Q somehow).

EDIT

Guys, this isn't about AP nasus, this is about what some know as "Quasus" which is E max first into traditional build nasus (tri force + tank). The reason why I refused to call it quasus is because he was far from the first to ever max E first in lane, and therefore, I don't believe he deserves any credit for anything other than just popularizing what already was.

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Neko CaitlynDec 5, 20164 votes

It costs 130 mana at max rank.

Tychusfindlay919Dec 5, 20167 votes

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It costs 130 mana at max rank.

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AttackOnTeemosDec 5, 20161 votes

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How damn nasas you seen rush that top lane.

Tychusfindlay919Dec 5, 20162 votes

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How damn nasas you seen rush that top lane.

Sirhcez and Quas, one of them being a challenger and one of them being in master tier division.

I've also encountered this in high plat from other nasus players.

Did you just get out from under a rock? It's been popularized as "Quasus"

EedatDec 5, 20163 votes

Corrupting potion doesn't even give enough mana for 2 Es and 2 dorans ring aren't enough

dakota saturnDec 5, 20162 votes

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Corrupting potion doesn't even give enough mana for 2 Es and 2 dorans ring aren't enough

Erm - when each individual minion gives 8 mana each, which equates to 48 mana per wave (6 minions), it only costs a net of 22 mana at low ranks, scaling up to 82 at level 9. By level 9, 82 mana per 30 sec is nothing, because 2 doran rings also doubles his base mana regen, in addition to the mana refund per cs.

Mana regen is not an issue for him at all - that's why he buys the rings -_-

MunchCrunchLunchDec 5, 20164 votes

it is frustrating to play against i agree with you.

basically just as annoying as ranged top laners

EedatDec 5, 20162 votes

It's easy as fuck to play against lol

MunchCrunchLunchDec 6, 20161 votes

hmm wonder how people get to challenger with it then

Big LincolnDec 5, 20163 votes

make his E % armor reduction instead of flat to push him toward weaker early stronger late

also lets him actually fight tanks late game; he's the only I can think of where it just becomes a complete waste of time to fight the enemy front line

Bears Dont CareDec 5, 20163 votes

Its not really an issue.

ParoeDec 5, 20162 votes

... wow you guys are just... pathetic?

Pathetic.

Complaining about, of all things, a pusher that doesnt even do that much damage. You should be able to out wave-clear him with ANY bruiser with a tiamat. And this is coming from someone who plays AP M-pen nasus; its extremely easy to punish him.

If you have problems with a direct push like nasus... god only knows how you react to proxy singed.

Tychusfindlay919Dec 5, 20163 votes

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... wow you guys are just... pathetic?

Pathetic.

Complaining about, of all things, a pusher that doesnt even do that much damage. You should be able to out wave-clear him with ANY bruiser with a tiamat. And this is coming from someone who plays AP M-pen nasus; its extremely easy to punish him.

If you have problems with a direct push like nasus... god only knows how you react to proxy singed.

Right, it's pathetic and passable that no one should complain about it. Of course, it's beginning to hijack nasus's intended playstyle in high elo with dedicated mains like sirhcez and Quas never maxing Q ever, in any game, even more favorable lanes.

A bruiser with tiamat may be able to keep the wave at bay, but he won't do so without eating Es consistently.

KaiokoDec 5, 20162 votes

I don't so much have an issue with the amount of damage it's dealing but rather how good at minion clearing it is. I get that it's the point but every game I've played against an AP Nasus (usually mid) will go something along the lines of him using his E to wave clear and then going to farm raptors only to do it all over again.

It gets extremely boring - I've won every single game playing against AP Nasus but I wished I would've lost and the game been at least halfway interesting rather than having a second game pulled up on my screen while playing League.

VekknaDec 5, 20162 votes

Not a new problem.

Viktor says hi Yasuo says hi

KaiokoDec 5, 20163 votes

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Not a new problem.

says hi says hi

Both of these have to make significant investments in order to be able to clear the wave with just one spell. Nasus on the other hand is like Morganna, once you reach level 7 all you do is drop your E on the wave and you can literally walk away knowing it will be fully cleared considering the base damage will be 390 + about 100 (80 AP * 1.2 ratio) from double dorans and runes.

Viktor has to come up to hit the entire line and can't full clear without his upgrade and AP, Yasuo has to dash through minions and E; he can really only start clearing well once he's farmed static shyv.

AttackOnTeemosDec 5, 20163 votes

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Both of these have to make significant investments in order to be able to clear the wave with just one spell. Nasus on the other hand is like Morganna, once you reach level 7 all you do is drop your E on the wave and you can literally walk away knowing it will be fully cleared considering the base damage will be 390 + about 100 (80 AP * 1.2 ratio) from double dorans and runes.

Viktor has to come up to hit the entire line and can't full clear without his upgrade and AP, Yasuo has to dash through minions and E; he can really only start clearing well once he's farmed static shyv.

So nasas can clear those minions early game, keyword early. He eats all his mana and now can't farm his Q. About time he leaves and goes gets another ring, I'm already how much cs ahead of him, and he can keep Eing away the minins at top so he can't farm safe enough anymore. My junglar sees that and we gank him and guess what...he tilts himself.

KaiokoDec 5, 20162 votes

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So nasas can clear those minions early game, keyword early. He eats all his mana and now can't farm his Q. About time he leaves and goes gets another ring, I'm already how much cs ahead of him, and he can keep Eing away the minins at top so he can't farm safe enough anymore. My junglar sees that and we gank him and guess what...he tilts himself.

I'm not sure if you read what I wrote - I'm talking about mid lane Nasus. If he uses his E to wave clear the wave will hit your turret and die far before the next minions show up. I'm not arguing that he scales super well into the late game from doing that - what I'm saying is that it just causes the mid lane to become extremely boring.

You can't gank him either since he stays only about 1/3 of the lane up tosses his E and literally just walks away.

VekknaDec 5, 20164 votes

There isn't any rank where spirit fire has 390 base damage. It's 350 over 5 seconds at rank 4.

The difference here is that Yasuo and Viktor are getting those items anyway. They aren't trading anything, they're just following their typical build path. Nasus has to spend 800 gold on items that build into nothing and trades tons of Q stacks.

Really not seeing the problem. Like, at all.

dakota saturnDec 5, 20162 votes

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Both of these have to make significant investments in order to be able to clear the wave with just one spell. Nasus on the other hand is like Morganna, once you reach level 7 all you do is drop your E on the wave and you can literally walk away knowing it will be fully cleared considering the base damage will be 390 + about 100 (80 AP * 1.2 ratio) from double dorans and runes.

Viktor has to come up to hit the entire line and can't full clear without his upgrade and AP, Yasuo has to dash through minions and E; he can really only start clearing well once he's farmed static shyv.

Don't bother trying to argue with Attackonteemos, he's a well-known troll who spews garbage and gets other trolls to agree with him -_-

AttackOnTeemosDec 5, 20161 votes

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Don't bother trying to argue with Attackonteemos, he's a well-known troll who spews garbage and gets other trolls to agree with him -_-

Boy you are level 18. I hit my ranks each season, and I know I'm not challenge tier player. However I do know how to play against other champions people who come to forums and cry over because their "Main" can't stand up against something.

dakota saturnDec 5, 20161 votes

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Boy you are level 18. I hit my ranks each season, and I know I'm not challenge tier player. However I do know how to play against other champions people who come to forums and cry over because their "Main" can't stand up against something.

Then you tell me what you do if you're playing any mage mid (lets pretend lux) and your enemy picks Nasus. You will be shoved to tower the entire game, while Nasus is free to roam, take raptors, do whatever he wants. Then he'll pick up zz and ensure you can never leave mid or you'll lose inhi tower by 15 minutes.

Tell me how that is fair or exciting gameplay

KaiokoDec 5, 20162 votes

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Then you tell me what you do if you're playing any mage mid (lets pretend lux) and your enemy picks Nasus. You will be shoved to tower the entire game, while Nasus is free to roam, take raptors, do whatever he wants. Then he'll pick up zz and ensure you can never leave mid or you'll lose inhi tower by 15 minutes.

Tell me how that is fair or exciting gameplay

And that is exactly my problem with the whole AP Nasus thing - how boring it is. I wish they would cut the damage on minions in half while keeping it the same on champions which I actually addressed like 2 weeks ago.

And if we're going to go by rank I'm higher than you AttackOnTeemos but I really don't see how to plays any part in the fact that this is really unhealthy gameplay.

Note I'm saying "unhealthy" and not "overpowered" -- there's a big difference.

dakota saturnDec 5, 20161 votes

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And that is exactly my problem with the whole AP Nasus thing - how boring it is. I wish they would cut the damage on minions in half while keeping it the same on champions which I actually addressed like 2 weeks ago.

And if we're going to go by rank I'm higher than you AttackOnTeemos but I really don't see how to plays any part in the fact that this is really unhealthy gameplay.

Note I'm saying "unhealthy" and not "overpowered" -- there's a big difference.

If only solid logic and arguments worked on this forum. However, for people like attackonteemos, it's about picking 1 or 2 champions who can manage to waveclear like Quasus and then roam and go somewhere else with zero lane interaction.

Oh, you decided to pick one of the other 128 champions? Well according to him, you deserve to lose. If you didn't pick first? Oh, you should have just known they were going to pick Nasus, so you automatically are stuck last hitting under turret for 30 minutes and deserve it.

That's the logic you are dealing with here.

AttackOnTeemosDec 5, 20162 votes

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And that is exactly my problem with the whole AP Nasus thing - how boring it is. I wish they would cut the damage on minions in half while keeping it the same on champions which I actually addressed like 2 weeks ago.

And if we're going to go by rank I'm higher than you AttackOnTeemos but I really don't see how to plays any part in the fact that this is really unhealthy gameplay.

Note I'm saying "unhealthy" and not "overpowered" -- there's a big difference.

If both of you would ready he isn't saying about FULL AP NASAS. If he is Pushing you that MUCH in mid where the hell is your junglar? Explain that to me, He uses his E three times and he is Oom.

So lets go ahead and turn the math around here, You dont have an ap nasas mid, which means you might have one top lane if not then you got one in jungle, if not you got yourself a FULL ad team.

Going off that you got a nasas who is now taking his jungalr's farm and your lux is back to farming mid safe.

I can promise you Lux and a junglar and easily kill nasas early game with her E and and Q alone.

He can spend as much time as he wants to in raptors what I'll end up doing is telling my junglar "Hey be prepared to head over there"

Communication: we just killed a nasas who had no mana at raptors.

dakota saturnDec 5, 20161 votes

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If both of you would ready he isn't saying about FULL AP NASAS. If he is Pushing you that MUCH in mid where the hell is your junglar? Explain that to me, He uses his E three times and he is Oom.

So lets go ahead and turn the math around here, You dont have an ap nasas mid, which means you might have one top lane if not then you got one in jungle, if not you got yourself a FULL ad team.

Going off that you got a nasas who is now taking his jungalr's farm and your lux is back to farming mid safe.

I can promise you Lux and a junglar and easily kill nasas early game with her E and and Q alone.

He can spend as much time as he wants to in raptors what I'll end up doing is telling my junglar "Hey be prepared to head over there"

Communication: we just killed a nasas who had no mana at raptors.

Did you not see the previous post where he is spending a net of ~30 mana per wave with 2 doran rings? And by the time it scales up to around 90 mana per 30 seconds, he's level 9 with enough mana regen to recover it in between waves?

Do you not understand how mana regen works?

And he can't be ganked because he walks 1/3 up to the lane and then runs back under the turret? It's like trying to gank season 1 Morgana mid. You are wasting your time, because she never puts herself in danger unless she wants to make a play with her binding/ult.

Nasus will just wither the jungler and walk away to his turret which is 10 feet away, laughing if you try to gank him

It's kind of like an autopushing Tryndamere, except Nasus builds ZZ and banner, along with instant waveclear - if you try to get objectives with your team and try to fight as 5 at any point at all in the game, Nasus split pushes faster than literally every single other character from complete safety.

Most other characters would have to devote a good portion of their build to pure AP or AD to keep up, AND they have to be in the enemy wave to do it. Nasus is one of the only characters who doesn't have to do this. Besides the 2 starting doran items, he literally goes full tank with ZZ/Banner, making him even more difficult to deal with.

Such a troll -_-

AttackOnTeemosDec 5, 20162 votes

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Did you not see the previous post where he is spending a net of ~30 mana per wave with 2 doran rings? And by the time it scales up to around 90 mana per 30 seconds, he's level 9 with enough mana regen to recover it in between waves?

Do you not understand how mana regen works?

And he can't be ganked because he walks 1/3 up to the lane and then runs back under the turret?

It's kind of like an autopushing Tryndamere, except Nasus builds ZZ and banner, along with instant waveclear - if you try to get objectives with your team and try to fight as 5 at any point at all in the game, Nasus split pushes faster than literally every single other character from complete safety.

Most other characters would have to devote a good portion of their build to pure AP or AD to keep up, AND they have to be in the enemy wave to do it. Nasus is one of the only characters who doesn't have to do this.

How much gold do you need for 2 rings son. How much gold do you need for that portal? I want to see YOU play a game and do this as nasas. Right now, Go do it and be sure to bring back the results.

dakota saturnDec 5, 20161 votes

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How much gold do you need for 2 rings son. How much gold do you need for that portal? I want to see YOU play a game and do this as nasas. Right now, Go do it and be sure to bring back the results.

Challenge accepted

https://s14.postimg.org/t4c3wc2m9/nasus.png

First time playing nasus since season 1 (ps I miss the old voice so so much RIP... ). Quickly looked up Quasus build on Mobafire while game was loading(GASP) and it's a shit build, but you need zero skill to play it and it's completely uninteractive, so it's ok.

Mana bar never dropped below 75% the entire game. They'd send 3+ top for the first 15 minutes and never killed me. The only time they did was when I was taking their inhi turret and I couldn't get away from Ryze Root + Lee ult :\

Was the most boring fucking shit I've ever done in my life. The Tahm was salty af the entire game, for good reason.

I'll be happy to send you the replay if you like.

Yes it's a problem.

Thanks for giving me the chance to prove I was right.

Love you babe, bb.

AttackOnTeemosDec 6, 20161 votes

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Challenge accepted

https://s14.postimg.org/t4c3wc2m9/nasus.png

First time playing nasus since season 1 (ps I miss the old voice so so much RIP... ). Quickly looked up Quasus build on Mobafire while game was loading(GASP) and it's a shit build, but you need zero skill to play it and it's completely uninteractive, so it's ok.

Mana bar never dropped below 75% the entire game. They'd send 3+ top for the first 15 minutes and never killed me. The only time they did was when I was taking their inhi turret and I couldn't get away from Ryze Root + Lee ult :\

Was the most boring fucking shit I've ever done in my life. The Tahm was salty af the entire game, for good reason.

I'll be happy to send you the replay if you like.

Yes it's a problem.

Thanks for giving me the chance to prove I was right.

Love you babe, bb.

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2365321114/34553032/eog

dakota saturnDec 6, 20161 votes

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http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2365321114/34553032/eog

<3

Ok? Good job on your soraka win?

What does that have to do with literally anything in this topic?

ParoeDec 6, 20161 votes

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Ok? Good job on your soraka win?

What does that have to do with literally anything in this topic?

they played against a nasus i assume top with double dorans. that nasus may have had farm, but he wasnt really a threat.

dakota saturnDec 6, 20161 votes

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they played against a nasus i assume top with double dorans. that nasus may have had farm, but he wasnt really a threat.

The nasus built retarded items - no zzrot, no banner, no MR vs an Eve/Lux, and rushed Iceborn and lucidity boots vs said champs instead. He had a retarded Nasus in his game. What is he trying to prove?

I built nasus correctly in my game, and after having not played nasus in 3-4 years, it was derp easy to win, without even interacting once with the enemy (I withered the enemy vayne once when we were taking nexus, hence the single assist).

I don't get what this dude's point is. Just because he had a Nasus in his game who doesn't know what he's doing doesn't mean E max split push nasus isn't a problem.

Attackonteemos, if you want to give an example of a non-retarded nasus in your game, then sure. Oh, and one you actually lane against. Not when you're playing support bot and never have to deal with him. Let's see how much fun you have top lane vs split push full tank nasus.

But the point is, it's not OP, but it definitely gives consistent results for something that requires zero skill or interaction. A bot could play split push nasus and still have a +50% winrate, while being absolutely horrible and uninteractive to play against.

The point of the post isn't that the build is too powerful (although a nonstop split pusher is pretty strong), but rather that it goes against the design philosophies of the game, and is frustrating as fk to play against with very low counterplay available, unless you yourself are playing another hard pusher like Proxy Singed or something.

Except Proxy Singed actually has to put himself at a lot of risk and will probably die a lot while splitting. Nasus literally just drops E and walks away. It's retarded that you're defending it.

AttackOnTeemosDec 6, 20161 votes

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The nasus built retarded items - no zzrot, no banner, no MR vs an Eve/Lux, and rushed Iceborn and lucidity boots vs said champs instead. He had a retarded Nasus in his game. What is he trying to prove?

I built nasus correctly in my game, and after having not played nasus in 3-4 years, it was derp easy to win, without even interacting once with the enemy (I withered the enemy vayne once when we were taking nexus, hence the single assist).

I don't get what this dude's point is. Just because he had a Nasus in his game who doesn't know what he's doing doesn't mean E max split push nasus isn't a problem.

Attackonteemos, if you want to give an example of a non-retarded nasus in your game, then sure. Oh, and one you actually lane against. Not when you're playing support bot and never have to deal with him. Let's see how much fun you have top lane vs split push full tank nasus.

But the point is, it's not OP, but it definitely gives consistent results for something that requires zero skill or interaction. A bot could play split push nasus and still have a +50% winrate, while being absolutely horrible and uninteractive to play against.

The point of the post isn't that the build is too powerful (although a nonstop split pusher is pretty strong), but rather that it goes against the design philosophies of the game, and is frustrating as fk to play against with very low counterplay available, unless you yourself are playing another hard pusher like Proxy Singed or something.

Except Proxy Singed actually has to put himself at a lot of risk and will probably die a lot while splitting. Nasus literally just drops E and walks away. It's retarded that you're defending it.

So are so hostile on the forums but I was showing you a simple point.

Nasus can be defeated 2)Just because I didn't have to deal with him actually proved my point. It means his E is no threat at all.
Even if he built that damn Portal it does no good against people who can clear a wave just a quickly as him. Darius was the perfect example. Him rushing that portal wasn't going to stop Eve and Darius.

All I was showing was ALL you have to do is play smarter not harder and you can defeat him. Nasus COULD NOT walk away from Darius no matter how hard he tried. Once Darius had some MR his E did no damage to him what so ever, and beginning of the game that E was not instantly killing minions..

My final conclusion to it all was that person didn't have clue what he was doing, meaning that once again people are doing things in game that "IF THEY KNEW" what they were doing maybe they could of won. Just like people who know how to counter the issues can win against it. You got people up and down this topic saying that it's not threat what so ever. But you not bashing them the least bit.

dakota saturnDec 6, 20161 votes

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So are so hostile on the forums but I was showing you a simple point.

Nasus can be defeated 2)Just because I didn't have to deal with him actually proved my point. It means his E is no threat at all.

Even if he built that damn Portal it does no good against people who can clear a wave just a quickly as him. Darius was the perfect example. Him rushing that portal wasn't going to stop Eve and Darius.

All I was showing was ALL you have to do is play smarter not harder and you can defeat him. Nasus COULD NOT walk away from Darius no matter how hard he tried. Once Darius had some MR his E did no damage to him what so ever, and beginning of the game that E was not instantly killing minions..

My final conclusion to it all was that person didn't have clue what he was doing, meaning that once again people are doing things in game that "IF THEY KNEW" what they were doing maybe they could of won. Just like people who know how to counter the issues can win against it. You got people up and down this topic saying that it's not threat what so ever. But you not bashing them the least bit.

-_- Idk what it takes to convince you of literally anything.

Yes he was brainless because he wasn't building to defend himself from the Lux/Eve. They have an EVE. Meaning, if he tries to split push, he has zero MR, zero ability to get away - ofc he's going to fail. You using this as an example is just stupid and doesn't mean anything one way or the other. The Nasus didn't bother building a single MR item - if he had portal or merc treads, he could get away when Eve ganks him because she won't have the dmg to kill him before he runs under turret.

He also built iceborn gauntlet first. He isn't building the way the OP describes as the issue - the issue is full tank. The build is Portal first. If the Nasus doesn't build Portal - or ANY TANK ITEMS AT ALL, it doesn't count under what the OP is describing.

IBG is 40 armor, and a cleansable slow for Eve. i.e. not tank. I hope that is simple enough for you to understand. I can break it down into more easy to understand words if that is too difficult for you to understand as well.

I already showed you that it wins games by literally never interacting with the enemy or helping in teamfights even once. But you conveniently just glossed over that.

You can't use this game as an example of anything because he didn't build to counter the team - the Nasus was building like a level 5 bot.

In the game I played, there was a threat window until lvl 4 or so, once E started getting more than one point. If you're not able to get a kill on the Nasus (As in, he's not completely fucking retarded and lets you murder him over and over), he will become unkillable after 5, certainly after 6, and becomes unbearable after 9.

Anyway as far as I'm convinced you're either retarded or one of the best trolls I've ever seen in my life.

If you're still not convinced and you still want to argue using a bad example, be my guest. You're not right, and I'll be happy when Riot gets rid of it - not because I hate playing against it, but because then it means you're wrong :)

Not fighting with you anymore, it's completely pointless.

KaiokoDec 5, 20162 votes

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If both of you would ready he isn't saying about FULL AP NASAS. If he is Pushing you that MUCH in mid where the hell is your junglar? Explain that to me, He uses his E three times and he is Oom.

So lets go ahead and turn the math around here, You dont have an ap nasas mid, which means you might have one top lane if not then you got one in jungle, if not you got yourself a FULL ad team.

Going off that you got a nasas who is now taking his jungalr's farm and your lux is back to farming mid safe.

I can promise you Lux and a junglar and easily kill nasas early game with her E and and Q alone.

He can spend as much time as he wants to in raptors what I'll end up doing is telling my junglar "Hey be prepared to head over there"

Communication: we just killed a nasas who had no mana at raptors.

Let's break down your argument shall we?

Argument 1: You're going to have a full AD team Answer: Considering Nasus is going AP with 45% CDR the enemy team will have AP as Nasus will have about a 1500 MAGIC damage in a large AOE which will be up every 6.6 seconds (in case you didn't know he builds item 3092 item 3285 and takes Thunderlord's. As he can proc all 3 stacks quickly.

Argument 2: You can just gank Nasus at raptors or in lane since your lane will be pushed Answer: You cannot kill him in lane as he actually doesn't step forward at all since he throws his E down and walks away. You may have a chance to invade his raptors but this means that not only are you going into their jungle where you may get killed by being counterganked, but also the fact that you're abandoning a whole wave of minions and letting your turret get pushed.

Argument 3: Nasus will run out mana Answer: Have you ever read what the passive does on Dorans? Nasus will return 24 mana in wave from using it and with the crimson raptor and 5 raptors from clearing that camp. This is DOUBLED by having 2 dorans. This combined with the natural mana regeneration from dorans ring and the fact that he runs teleport means all mana issues are gone.

Lastly it's "Nasus" and "Jungler."

AttackOnTeemosDec 5, 20161 votes

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Let's break down your argument shall we?

Argument 1: You're going to have a full AD team Answer: Considering Nasus is going AP with 45% CDR the enemy team will have AP as Nasus will have about a 1500 MAGIC damage in a large AOE which will be up every 6.6 seconds (in case you didn't know he builds and takes Thunderlord's. As he can proc all 3 stacks quickly.

Argument 2: You can just gank Nasus at raptors or in lane since your lane will be pushed Answer: You cannot kill him in lane as he actually doesn't step forward at all since he throws his E down and walks away. You may have a chance to invade his raptors but this means that not only are you going into their jungle where you may get killed by being counterganked, but also the fact that you're abandoning a whole wave of minions and letting your turret get pushed.

Argument 3: Nasus will run out mana Answer: Have you ever read what the passive does on Dorans? Nasus will return 24 mana in wave from using it and with the crimson raptor and 5 raptors from clearing that camp. This is DOUBLED by having 2 dorans. This combined with the natural mana regeneration from dorans ring and the fact that he runs teleport means all mana issues are gone.

Lastly it's "Nasus" and "Jungler."

Yep you are right, once he gets both of those rings he will clear a bunch of waves and have damn near no stacks collected. Once he has that portal there is no way to destroy it or the minions.. ;/

dakota saturnDec 5, 20161 votes

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Yep you are right, once he gets both of those rings he will clear a bunch of waves and have damn near no stacks collected. Once he has that portal there is no way to destroy it or the minions.. ;/

No response? I accepted your dumb little challenge :\

PermabannedGarenDec 6, 20162 votes

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Let's break down your argument shall we?

Argument 1: You're going to have a full AD team Answer: Considering Nasus is going AP with 45% CDR the enemy team will have AP as Nasus will have about a 1500 MAGIC damage in a large AOE which will be up every 6.6 seconds (in case you didn't know he builds and takes Thunderlord's. As he can proc all 3 stacks quickly.

Argument 2: You can just gank Nasus at raptors or in lane since your lane will be pushed Answer: You cannot kill him in lane as he actually doesn't step forward at all since he throws his E down and walks away. You may have a chance to invade his raptors but this means that not only are you going into their jungle where you may get killed by being counterganked, but also the fact that you're abandoning a whole wave of minions and letting your turret get pushed.

Argument 3: Nasus will run out mana Answer: Have you ever read what the passive does on Dorans? Nasus will return 24 mana in wave from using it and with the crimson raptor and 5 raptors from clearing that camp. This is DOUBLED by having 2 dorans. This combined with the natural mana regeneration from dorans ring and the fact that he runs teleport means all mana issues are gone.

Lastly it's "Nasus" and "Jungler."

The Nasus build this thread is about doesn't build AP. No one gives a shit about AP Nasus.

The Nasus build being complained about builds full tank but maxes E, and focuses on pressuring lane to drag the enemy jungler up top, wasting their time since Nasus probably won't die, and bullying the enemy laner by constantly pushing them to turret and harassing with E.

Dominick DestineDec 6, 20161 votes

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Not a new problem.

says hi says hi

RexSaurDec 5, 20162 votes

They need to gut it its cancer to play against.

dakota saturnDec 5, 20161 votes

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They need to gut it its cancer to play against.

It's also boring AF to play as. It's zero interaction the entire game.

RexSaurDec 6, 20161 votes

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It's also boring AF to play as. It's zero interaction the entire game.

Yes, nasus is not supposed to ignore laning phase by maxing E, its not intended at all.

AttackOnTeemosDec 5, 20161 votes

It's dodge able you see him swirl his staff before it' cast. He has no range anyway..

Tychusfindlay919Dec 5, 20162 votes

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It's dodge able you see him swirl his staff before it' cast. He has no range anyway..

What the hell?

The cast range is 650 and the flame radius is 400. The cast time is near instant (his little staff swirl hardly takes up more than half a second) and the entire AoE drops at once as opposed to something like anivia ult.

AttackOnTeemosDec 5, 20161 votes

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What the hell?

The cast range is 650 and the flame radius is 400. The cast time is near instant (his little staff swirl hardly takes up more than half a second) and the entire AoE drops at once as opposed to something like anivia ult.

It gives him SOME type of early game, hell It's NEVER been an issue until recently when people finally put 2 and 2 together going "Hmm maybe I should use my E more."

Tychusfindlay919Dec 5, 20162 votes

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It gives him SOME type of early game, hell It's NEVER been an issue until recently when people finally put 2 and 2 together going "Hmm maybe I should use my E more."

People didn't just put 2 and 2 together.

Games got shorter and nasus's ult buff reduces the ability to punish him for maxing E. There were changes that accompanied E max nasus's rise in popularity, because the idea of maxing E first has been around for years.

dakota saturnDec 5, 20162 votes

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It's dodge able you see him swirl his staff before it' cast. He has no range anyway..

Dear fking god you make it your job to come into these topics and spew useless 'advice' which you know doesn't help, then sit and argue.

AttackOnTeemosDec 5, 20161 votes

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Dear fking god you make it your job to come into these topics and spew useless 'advice' which you know doesn't help, then sit and argue.

Since the topic is already at a Negative 4 because people are butt hurt cause nasas can hurt people without hitting them with his Q yes. Because everyone in league now are reduced to a bunch of kids who only want to play with streamers in high elos play and ultimate fail at. Then run and complain here because they have to "learn" how to play something to counter it. Most people rather cry Nerf or Buff before learning a different champion to bet another one.

I can name 5 champions right now who would say "Fck U" to nasas and his E right now.

dakota saturnDec 5, 20162 votes

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Since the topic is already at a Negative 4 because people are butt hurt cause nasas can hurt people without hitting them with his Q yes. Because everyone in league now are reduced to a bunch of kids who only want to play with streamers in high elos play and ultimate fail at. Then run and complain here because they have to "learn" how to play something to counter it. Most people rather cry Nerf or Buff before learning a different champion to bet another one.

I can name 5 champions right now who would say "Fck U" to nasas and his E right now.

You shouldn't have to counter a champion by picking from a tiny pool of a couple characters who maybe can go even with him and call that balanced.

Regardless of his overall strength, it's an uninteractive lane, like old AP Janna Mid or old Morgana where they'd just walk up, press a button, and walk away and collect 6 cs each wave, since the Nasus takes zero risk to walk up and E the wave out of range of every single top lane.

Many champs have been nerfed before for the exact same reason as this, even though they weren't meta, or particularly strong.

The gameplay style is just boring as fk, and unless you are picking someone who can push equally hard, you're just shoved to turret all game.

ParoeDec 5, 20161 votes

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You shouldn't have to counter a champion by picking from a tiny pool of a couple characters who maybe can go even with him and call that balanced.

Regardless of his overall strength, it's an uninteractive lane, like old AP Janna Mid or old Morgana where they'd just walk up, press a button, and walk away and collect 6 cs each wave, since the Nasus takes zero risk to walk up and E the wave out of range of every single top lane.

Many champs have been nerfed before for the exact same reason as this, even though they weren't meta, or particularly strong.

The gameplay style is just boring as fk, and unless you are picking someone who can push equally hard, you're just shoved to turret all game.

A support is not a top laner
A top laner is not a support
champions with only one build are even more boring.

Why dont you learn how to play against this new thing instead of screaming like a spoiled brat? Oh wait, its not new and isnt even that good on its own or past 30 minutes, a lot like proxy singed. Should we remove the capacity for proxy singed? Should we remove brand/annie support? Should we remove lulu jungle? Should we make it so ADCs have 3.0 crits and go up to 5.0 with IE because they dont oneshot tanks with overkill damage?