So..... Kayn on the perma ban list now, that 9.8 hit?

Illabethe··4 votes·1,702 views

Looks like Riot's going through with an even more extreme buff to Kayn's Shadow Step in Shadow Assassin form.

8 Seconds. At all ranks.

That's 4.4 second cooldown on a skill that travels through 1-2 walls, increases move speed to potentially 700-800, and almost guarantees an assassination.

It used to be ..... what? 21 to 7.15 seconds.

A 3.65 second drop in cooldown's totally balanced.....

I want to put this change into context:

-Morgana 's Q has a 11- 6.05 Second cooldown. Without it, she doesn't exist. -Pyke 's Mobility is 12-5.5 seconds, and 15 - 8.25 respectively. -Nidalee 's Pounce without a kill only gets down to 3.5 seconds, doesn't pass near as much terrain or distance.

I could keep going on..... but this literally makes Kayn the most mobile champ in the game, even surpassing Talon, and even though the rest of his kit is absolutely dominating when played correctly as Shadow Assassin, and even though he's carrying a hefty win rate.

16 Comments

boricCentaur18 votes

And yet red kayn is still better, mobility is not everything and don't act like it is. blue kayle will still have problems killing champions and most champions right now can easily kill him since his mobility in a fight is not good.

Illabethe1 votes

The only time his mobility is not good in a fight is when they have a wall knock or can land a CC before he can get away. Most of the time you catch him out..... it's because his E is on cooldown. Not because he can't use it.

You do realize than in Blue, Kayn isn't even the attacker? A SHADOW is. He can move/kite everything.

Ahri Baka4 votes

Kayn has a horrible early and even with such a buff Shadow Assassin Kayn will never surpass Rhaast So far the patch just came and the stats can't be correct so we can't judge

Illabethe1 votes

Rhaast is a tank buster that gets obliterated by mages and assassins. The fact you think Blue Kayn is weaker just tells me you have no experience with Kayn.

Shadow Assassin has ALWAYS had greater damage output. He's just not what people choose because they don't have good skill curves in their learning, or the opposing team has 1-2 tanks/substantial CC.

He can literally do what Zed does on low cooldowns, and he doesn't have to stand still to do it. He gets to run through walls at 700-800 move speed to do it.

P.S. Kayn doesn't have a bad early at all. People at your elo use him wrong. They try to afk farm to 6+. Actually do smart early ganks and he's one of the best junglers in game.

Ahri Baka2 votes

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Rhaast is a tank buster that gets obliterated by mages and assassins. The fact you think Blue Kayn is weaker just tells me you have no experience with Kayn.

Shadow Assassin has ALWAYS had greater damage output. He's just not what people choose because they don't have good skill curves in their learning, or the opposing team has 1-2 tanks/substantial CC.

He can literally do what Zed does on low cooldowns, and he doesn't have to stand still to do it. He gets to run through walls at 700-800 move speed to do it.

P.S. Kayn doesn't have a bad early at all. People at your elo use him wrong. They try to afk farm to 6+. Actually do smart early ganks and he's one of the best junglers in game.

Rhaast is weak against mages and assassins ? lmao no in fact he loves going against mages so he can build item 3065 to increase his healing What do you mean at your elo ? you are Silver 4 and I'm currently in gold and was plat last season , hearing that makes me feel like I'm in iron or bronze lol

The fact you think Blue Kayn is weaker just tells me you have no experience with Kayn.

Kayn is my most played jungler , Mastery 7 and 100k Points , idk what experience you talking about

PS : no , kayn has a bad early comparing to other junglers , it's not an issue of ganking , it's about scuttle fights and stuff , when it comes to ganking , anything can gank , even Leona jg

Illabethe1 votes

To me you are Iron. I am DII.

If you are complaining about Scuttle, STOP SCUTTLING. You'll get to 6 faster taking both Krugs camps......

Ahri Baka1 votes

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To me you are Iron. I am DII.

If you are complaining about Scuttle, STOP SCUTTLING. You'll get to 6 faster taking both Krugs camps......

Kayn suffers from taking Krugs and he will get forced to recall without ganking or having any impact , he needs to play around to get his passive even if he ints

Illabethe1 votes

Just wow...... wtf do you think Kayn starts Raptors solo? Oh right..... multiple spells on low cooldowns that proc item 1039 . The same damn deal as Krugs.

I friggin Krugs on almost every single Jungler I play. Including Pyke, Leona, Morgana, Zyra, Kayn, Yi..... None of them have trouble if you know how to jungle.

VoraciousX1 votes

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Kayn has a horrible early and even with such a buff Shadow Assassin Kayn will never surpass Rhaast So far the patch just came and the stats can't be correct so we can't judge

Does Shadow Assassin Kayn have to surpass Rhaast though? Both are extremely powerful, one's just tanky, which is the only reason they pick Rhaast over Shadow Assassin. The reason this happens is because assassins are not safe, which is why higher elo players will pick Rhaast every time, unless Shadow Assassin becomes so overpowered that nothing can stop him.

Edge of Daybreak4 votes

Yeah but this buff is attached to blue kayn so it doesnt really matter.

Illabethe1 votes

Says an unranked ARAM spammer.

You really have no idea what Blue Kayn does.

Literal IRL Tree3 votes

And you are a 50% winrate hardstuck low silver player?

https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=stwessed Here i even gave you my op.gg Him having a lower CD on his E means a nice buff to blue which was never picked. Red Kayn almost always was better unless in extremely niche situations and even then most people in my elo would just go lethality red kayn.

Chembaron Yamada2 votes

Whenever I am playing the jungle, I will ban him now. Kayn was extremely slippery with his old cooldown already, since he got untargetability on ult and 2 spells to travel over walls with Q and E.

Having such a short CD on E will make this even harder and he becomes basically uncatchable. Not going to deal with this, I won't face any Kayns when I am jungling from now on.

NaughtyWord1 votes

So..... Kayn on the perma ban list now, that 9.8 hit?

No, because Vayne still exists.

Illabethe1 votes

To me Vayne is a minor inconvenience compared to Kayn. People who cry about Vayne do not know her mechanics, or how to champ select to counter her. Her movements are extremely predictable, and if forced to run, she becomes very useless. Use that to choose champs to counter her.

(I like to Zyra or Morg or Jinx vs her for this reason. Being a bigger bully always shuts down Vayne)

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