Reminder that Tenacity is a useless stat in game, basically a noob trap

Beatrice falls·Sep 23, 2018·4 votes·810 views

Because it doesn't matter how much you stack it, you always end up getting chain cc'd thanks to Riot's champions design, nearly all of them having some kind of hard cc enabling them to follow up with no effort.

Isn't it time to just fucking rework this stat ? I don't even build merc treads anymore on any champion, I just go even if enemies have a single AD champion.

Either rework Tenacity in a way that you each consecutive CC duration gets delayed, either tone down the CC in the game. Playing any diver is a fucking pain in the ass because of it, you jump it and you're stun locked for the entire fight and then die

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IllabetheSep 23, 20183 votes

Not even close to true.

What is true is your post is biased toward specific experiences and specific team interactions (oh. and the fact all but about 6 cc's can be avoided because they are skill shots).

I'm fairly certain teams playing against MasterYi with this team: Tristana Viktor Yorick Nautilus Evelynn ......

Just totally agrees with you that "you always end up getting chain cc'd thanks to Riot's champions design, nearly all of them having some kind of hard cc enabling them to follow up with no effort."

P.S. That game the Yi went 23/7/5 and did three times as much damage as anyone else on his team; All 5 of his deaths were to the Evelynn. ( item 3022 fun item on a champ that can immune himself to all slows, and reset the cooldown on that skill, stacking, every time he kills someone, and use Q to always get in range to proc it)

The truth of CC: CC chains do happen, but they are part of the game, just the same as overbearing damage is on other champs. They don't always happen, and they are nearly ALWAYS avoidable.

And..... even if you do get CC'd chained, you have a better chance of survival if you have that tenacity than you do without it. Even if it gives you a .5 second window to skill, that's something!

Most games simply do not have the CC chains. Everyone wants to carry, and most carry champs do not have CC chains in lieu of higher damage outputs.

I. ALWAYS. USE. TENACITY.

P.P.S: Garen 's entire play is around tenacity. It's the sole reason people find him toxic.

Beatrice fallsSep 23, 20181 votes

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Not even close to true.

What is true is your post is biased toward specific experiences and specific team interactions (oh. and the fact all but about 6 cc's can be avoided because they are skill shots).

I'm fairly certain teams playing against with this team: ......

Just totally agrees with you that "you always end up getting chain cc'd thanks to Riot's champions design, nearly all of them having some kind of hard cc enabling them to follow up with no effort."

P.S. That game the Yi went 23/7/5 and did three times as much damage as anyone else on his team; All 5 of his deaths were to the Evelynn. ( fun item on a champ that can immune himself to all slows, and reset the cooldown on that skill, stacking, every time he kills someone, and use Q to always get in range to proc it)

The truth of CC: CC chains do happen, but they are part of the game, just the same as overbearing damage is on other champs. They don't always happen, and they are nearly ALWAYS avoidable.

And..... even if you do get CC'd chained, you have a better chance of survival if you have that tenacity than you do without it. Even if it gives you a .5 second window to skill, that's something!

Most games simply do not have the CC chains. Everyone wants to carry, and most carry champs do not have CC chains in lieu of higher damage outputs.

I. ALWAYS. USE. TENACITY.

P.P.S: 's entire play is around tenacity. It's the sole reason people find him toxic.

There is a huge difference between having 90% tenacity, basically a cleanse, and having 35% tenacity

IllabetheSep 23, 20182 votes

35% on a 3 second root reduces it to 2 seconds. That's significant. 1 Sec down to .66 sec is Significant.

And...... most champs can get 51% easily on a low investment. (Mercurials + Legend: Tenacity)

OatheSwornSep 23, 20182 votes

Problems with Tenacity that I see now:

Too many champions have CC
Too many champions have knock-ups which Tenacity has no effect on

Who Fed RuSep 23, 20181 votes

Either rework Tenacity in a way that you each consecutive CC duration gets delayed, either tone down the CC in the game. Playing any diver is a fucking pain in the ass because of it, you jump it and you're stun locked for the entire fight and then die

You know that you shoudn't just hop in when the enemies have used none of their CDs yet as fighter/diver/assassin? Ofc you're not completely immune to cc even with it. Just wait until they threw some cc, they got split or simply until you have a good engage. But if you let yourself get chain cc'ed just like that and you lose the fight, then you played it wrong.

Mercs are strong af and the tenacity has saved my ass very often.

Beatrice fallsSep 23, 20181 votes

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You know that you shoudn't just hop in when the enemies have used none of their CDs yet as fighter/diver/assassin? Ofc you're not completely immune to cc even with it. Just wait until they threw some cc, they got split or simply until you have a good engage. But if you let yourself get chain cc'ed just like that and you lose the fight, then you played it wrong.

Mercs are strong af and the tenacity has saved my ass very often.

Not like everyone has 840% CDR because CDR is everywhere and some shit like Pyke have 2 CCs or more in their kit ?

Who Fed RuSep 23, 20181 votes

still hard cc has more than enough CD for you to make something happen.

and dodging is also not forbidden. also you should have your team with you that can punish enemies that go in on you.

Pyke needs to go through you to stun you, and his Q is a dodgeable ability.

Beatrice fallsSep 23, 20181 votes

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still hard cc has more than enough CD for you to make something happen.

and dodging is also not forbidden. also you should have your team with you that can punish enemies that go in on you.

needs to go through you to stun you, and his Q is a dodgeable ability.

So yeah I gotta be Neo from Matrix, because if I get caught by one, everyone can follow up with their hard cc's. You forgot that shit like TwistedFate Nautilus Leona Rammus with undodgeable ccs.

Who Fed RuSep 23, 20181 votes

You're not the only one in a fight. If you are, then there you have your problem.

You should also have 1 or 2 tanks with you in the enemy lines. Their job is to zone away champs like Leona Nautilus Rammus for you.

Pika FoxSep 23, 20181 votes

Dont build mercs when the enemy has a leona or a morganna. See how much fun you have.

ankoanko19Sep 23, 20181 votes

Not even remotely true. Having 50% tenacity from legend tenacity + mercs is super good against champs like Lulu Morgana TwistedFate Veigar Velkoz Amumu Renekton etc etc. The only time you SHOULDNT take tenacity is if their team consists of something like Malzahar Warwick Malphite . Basically, if they have lots of surpression/knockups or knockbacks then dont take it. If they dont then take it. 50% tenacity with mercs and a fully stacked legend tenacity or 61% with steraks passive aswell is REALLY good against some shit like Morg's 3s stun or Ahri's 2s charm.