Is there going to be a rework to try to attempt that? I would love to see mages out of the bot lane, but I think the only way to do so is to rework those mages into actually controlling what they do (
) , and lowering their base damage. Then we have to up the base damages of traditional supports, and do something about how interactive they are for game health.
ChaddyFantome6 votesSee, here is the thing, As a person who actually plays support, I hear this buzz term used all the time with the assertion that traditional supports aren't interactive and I can't help but then think to myself that the people that say this don' actually play support because this is utterly false.
The kind of people that just sit in botlane doing nothing when they play support because they don't have a clue what they are doing.
The only support that can ever be called uninteractive would be Janna, assuming you don't count proper timing of shields and Tornados, poking with autos etc as interactive.
Whats worse is the assertion that somehow these mages infesting the support role are somehow more interactive. In what way, dare I ask?
Risk of Fate1 votesI would say that Sona and Blitzcrank are highly un-interactive in that they kind of sit there until they're needed. Would also go for Soraka because all she is is a walking health pot for the team. Now, don't get me wrong, I like playing these champions, but most champions under the class of Support (this excludes Lux, Malz, Zyra, Brand, Annie, and Morgana since they're all first and foremost mages) are simply there to keep the rest of the team topped off or the enemy team in place. There's really no play to them other than getting yelled at if they don't stun/heal/shield the team.
Braum and Bard changed the way supporting is this sit back and let the team carry you attitude along with Thresh in that you go in, you set up the plays and make the team look amazing. Alistar doesn't really feel like that anymore whenever I see one, he went from being this playmaker to another stun bot with how easy it is to do the headbutt-knockup thing.
Also, I prefer when I don't have to do much as a support because then I can trust my carry isn't going to do something stupid and die. The less work I have to do, the better for us later down the line cause if I have to carry a lead brick, there is going to be hell to play later. That and ffs maybe I want to sit in a bush eating a sandwich and not having to constantly harass the enemy carry, both of you farm and play nice for once.
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I would say that Sona and Blitzcrank are highly un-interactive in that they kind of sit there until they're needed. Would also go for Soraka because all she is is a walking health pot for the team.
And by that logic, all Varus and ziggs do is walk abck and from 2 sreens away. All tanks do is sit around in teamfights after they engage and CC you. All assassins do is jump in and kill you. All ADC's do is AFK auto attack.
its stupid logic.
Soraka is actually one of the most interactive supports ever since her rework in, fact, because her Heals cost her HP and she can only replenish ti by landing skillshots. This means winning against her amounts to how well you can avoid her Q and harassing her is optimal since it directly depletes her Healing power and makes her more vulnerable.
Now, don't get me wrong, I like playing these champions, but most champions under the class of Support (this excludes Lux, Malz, Zyra, Brand, Annie, and Morgana since they're all first and foremost mages) are simply there to keep the rest of the team topped off or the enemy team in place. There's really no play to them other than getting yelled at if they don't stun/heal/shield the team.
How is that any different than these mages then when all they do is sit back, shield a person and through damaging and CC spells into team fights?
How is that any different than a support throwing damaging CC spells and shielding allies? You aren't making a single bit of sense here.
Braum and Bard changed the way supporting is this sit back and let the team carry you attitude along with Thresh in that you go in, you set up the plays and make the team look amazing. Alistar doesn't really feel like that anymore whenever I see one, he went from being this playmaker to another stun bot with how easy it is to do the headbutt-knockup thing.
So the argument isn't that supports are uninteractive. The argument is that they aren't flashy enough? Because all bard does is throw Damaging CC, heal teamates in fights. Braum does the dame thing, Damagign CC, shields his Allies. Also, im sorry but if I play Sona and get the perfect 5 Man Ult off that wins the teamfight, I think i carried and was being proactive. If i play Lyly and Polymorph Hecarim right as he Charges my ADC and then he engages while doing no damage then gets bursted down, i think I carried and was being proactive.
Again, I say this as a person who actually plays support, and it sounds like im talking to a person who hasn't a clue what they are talkign about in terms of the role.
It really makes no sense to me to claim they are uninteractive inherently as champions and sounds more like the 99% of players that play very little support clearly just suck royally at the role and haven't a clue what they are doing.
again, I will ask because I didn't get an answer, in what way are these mages somehow more interactive?
Risk of Fate1 votesHow you're getting that out of my answer is beyond me, but to a degree all champions are just one button bots at the end. By Interactivity, I mean to say what they contribute to teamfights in the mid-late game, the early game does not really matter because you're pretty much just watching lane for the most part and not doing much. Yes you poke here and there, but for the most part it's just farming simulator.
I have a weird definition of what interactivity is in that what are they doing when it comes to the fights. For a champion like Sona, for example, all she does is W constantly to make sure her team is topped off. The Q part does add damage and her ult is a CC engage, but really in fights the ones I've seen are in the back with their green aura. They toss out a Q here or there, but it does not feel like you are contributing much to the teamfight.
As for Soraka, she just heals, heals, heals, ult heals, heals. Does she do damage? No. She has a silence and stun that doesn't seem to do anything (although that's just me, enemy Soraka's seem to constantly get that thing to stop me dead in my tracks so I'm a bad soraka player)
I'm not saying "Oh, they must be flashy, damaging blah blah blah" it's that I think there should be more supports that provide more than just a stun, just a shield, just a heal. In the Case of braum, he has the stun, shield, and knockup, but he can jump into fights to engage/disengage, shield a full MF ult only to turn around a fight to send the enemy running. Bard provides extreme map presence with his E and R because his heals are so pathetic (does it even heal? I think a fully stacked shrine barely gives me a sliver of health, it's better for the movespeed buff)
I don't mind playing Sona, I don't mind playing Janna, yes I play Lux but that isn't the only one I play support. I like playing Leona and Nami because they feel far more interactive than Sona or Janna (yes, I'll say she's kind of uninteractive because all she does is shield and ult. I think her tornadoes are better as a zoning tool than an engage/disengage unless I'm quick-firing the thing)
I was a Support main back in Season 5, I'm a support main this season, to call supports uninteractive is not really the proper word for it, more rather they don't feel as rewarding or useful with champions like Ivern coming in with his massive shields, Yasuo who windwalls and flings around, Malzahar who ults, silences and has his pokemon attack you.
Damage =/= interactivity Heals/Shields/Stuns =/=Interactivity Diversity of kit, IMHO, is what I feel defines interactivity.
As a support, I don't want to simply be a ward bot, I don't want to watch health bars to make sure they're topped off, I don't want to sit back and wait for an opportunity to lock down a target. I want to be in fights, I want to be doing what I can for the team, I want to feel like an actual player that's scrapping, kiting, locking down. Playing Lux, for me, provides the perfect amount of Interactivity as a support because she can stun, she can peel, she shield, she has slows and damages, I can play as passively or as aggressively as I want and not locked into one type whereas most supports encourage a more passive playstyle from my experience. Leona is my go-to for a traditional support if my team asks me to not play lux because she can engage, disengage, peel, fight, or tank as needed.
That is what I mean by interactivity from my perspective, if you want to dumb it down to "OMG, they don't do damage," you're clearly missing the point of my post. I'm not saying I want to do damage, I want to be able to do things in case my team fails somewhere. Try carrying your team as Sona when your mid is down 100 cs, your ADC is AFK and your Top is a Yi who rushed an early rageblade.
Dynikus2 votesYeah, every time I see someone say that support is a boring and not interactive role, it just tells me they don't really know how to play support.
TyrekGoldenspear1 votesThis so much.
One more thing I want to add, every champ doesn't have to be super interactive. There are plenty of people who aren't interested in the high octane playmaking of some supports but still want to be selfless for the team.
Some people want to chill and play. Supports like Soraka and Janna are perfect for people like that; who want to relax and still be useful.
Incarceration2 votesI just played Janna last game. I was surprised how all I had to do was zone out the Ezreal because his support was roaming.
Mecha MaIphite1 votesSo 
jumping in your face doesn't count as interactive?
Incarceration1 votesI meant stuff like Soraka and Janna. My bad.