Tanks Have To Be Able To Put Out Damage And Kill Too!

WinBoat·Apr 3, 2016·7 votes·901 views

I know many will disagree, but in my opinion, tanks should be able to kill. To easily kill a squishy rather who builds no armor, or MR while they the tanks themselves are able to absorb so much damage.

I don't get this backwards community. First they want adc's to be buffed, the patch comes out, everyone crying about adc's. Some say that tanks are in a rough spot and get shredded, some say they are just too strong and unfair. What is it? Make up your minds people.

Do people honestly expect a tank to literally do no damage and never be able to kill a squishy? Is that it?

15 Comments

TehNACHOApr 3, 20165 votes

You know what's even weirder? When people call Fighters and Bruisers Tanks before they make those complaints.

No, Shyvana isn't just a meat shield. Yes, that Cho'Gath with Rod of Ages and Rylais is going to hurt you if you don't have any MR. Yes, you getting caught out does lead to Darius sweeping us. No, all of them are not actual tanks.

Yosuke ApperuApr 3, 20161 votes

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You know what's even weirder? When people call Fighters and Bruisers Tanks before they make those complaints.

No, Shyvana isn't just a meat shield. Yes, that Cho'Gath with Rod of Ages and Rylais is going to hurt you if you don't have any MR. Yes, you getting caught out does lead to Darius sweeping us. No, all of them are not actual tanks.

Chogath ultimate being true damage will hurt you regardless of what you build. Chogath also has very high base damages and scalings. Lol

The problem currently is juggernauts like darius will build a black cleaver into a full tank. Squishies have no chance of killing him but with his 141 base ad at level 18 alone. He can wipe the floor with said squishy. If the squishies build tankier, he's still going to wreck them in terms of damage.

YCitizenSnipsYApr 3, 20162 votes

Its mainly becasue Tanks and Bruisers are equal in terms of defense and only really differentiate in offense vs CC. Its no easier to kill a Darius/Cho'gath/Shyvana than it is tanks usually.

ApocalypsicApr 3, 20163 votes

Tanks should not be able to kill.

Tanks should have just enough damage for relevancy, not to be able to outrade and kill other champions just because they beef up on all the defense they can AND have amazing base damages.

Fighters, assassins, mages, and ranged carries are meant to be killers, and have to build damage accordingly. Tanks are meant to be protectors/peelers, sources of strong CC/fight disruption and to overal be giant nuisances to the other team, not damage dealers.

mikemcpartyApr 3, 20161 votes

Came to the thread and planned to post exactly this. I agree 100%.

RalanrApr 3, 20162 votes

So a tank should not have the ability to outplay or kill someone? Even when that someone made a very stupid mistake?

Are tanks supposed to be useless on their own?

ApocalypsicApr 3, 20162 votes

Tanks are supposed to play for the team not for themselves. Tanks are supposed to do enough damage for relevancy, not to straight up duel and kill people.

Tanks already have massive utility and provide peel/CC, and fight disruption among the many other roles they can perform. They shouldn't do enough damage to completely invalidate champions like Riven.

I should ask is it ok for these beef cake tanks to not only do massive damage but to also get away with their own stupid mistakes too simply by virtue of having to really build no damage to even maintain relevancy in the game simply because of huge unwarranted and undeserved base damages?

You should build tanky to tank not to just have more time to kill people

You build damage to kill people

RalanrApr 3, 20162 votes

I agree that tanks shouldn't do enough damage to make champions like Riven pointless. But I don't agree that tanks should be unable to kill people.

1v5? Hell no. A tank should never have the damage output to win 1v5 unless the team is both incredibly uncoordinated and stupid. 1v1? A tank should at least have a chance.

ApocalypsicApr 3, 20161 votes

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I agree that tanks shouldn't do enough damage to make champions like Riven pointless. But I don't agree that tanks should be unable to kill people.

1v5? Hell no. A tank should never have the damage output to win 1v5 unless the team is both incredibly uncoordinated and stupid. 1v1? A tank should at least have a chance.

Maybe a lot of people won't agree with me when I say this but I don't honestly think tanks should be able to one on one fighters.

That's not their job. If you pick a tank you should be accepting that you WILL NOT be strong enough to take a fighter one on one. You don't exist to fight. You exist to TANK. You exist to peel, you exist to cc, you exist to soak damage, you do not exist to kill. You exist to help your team.

RalanrApr 3, 20162 votes

There is a BIG problem with that. A lot of tanks (outside of support) are single laners. Top lane isn't a peaceful lane (not with Darius Riven Pantheon or Renekton around) to just farm in. You will get stuck in fights and if you can't win, then you will not get the money you need to buy the defense items to help your team later in the game (which for some tanks, is a pretty big deal).

I don't think tanks should be able to just kill on the level of a fighter. But I think they should have ways of winning 1v1.

Basically a fed Riven can 1v3 easily. That's fine and makes sense. A fed Sion should not be able to 1v3, but rather survive long enough for his team to get there.

ApocalypsicApr 3, 20161 votes

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There is a BIG problem with that. A lot of tanks (outside of support) are single laners. Top lane isn't a peaceful lane (not with or around) to just farm in. You will get stuck in fights and if you can't win, then you will not get the money you need to buy the defense items to help your team later in the game (which for some tanks, is a pretty big deal).

I don't think tanks should be able to just kill on the level of a fighter. But I think they should have ways of winning 1v1.

Basically a fed can 1v3 easily. That's fine and makes sense. A fed should not be able to 1v3, but rather survive long enough for his team to get there.

But that's exactly what I'm getting at. You're not supposed to win.

You don't get to pick top lane then go tank for easy damage and easy scalings. That's not fair. At all. Why play other roles then? Where is the benefit of playing anything other than a tank. You should not be able to contend with champions that are SUPPOSED to be stronger early. They exist to shut you down in lane, just as you exist to shut them down out of lane and stop them from doing their jobs properly in team fights because you properly did your job.

Not to mention a lot of tanks can 1v3 if fed, volibear being a huge offender of this.

I'm just saying that tanks shouldn't be able to do it all, you should have to sacrifice something for the team fight strength you have and personally I think that sacrifice should be high damages.

RalanrApr 3, 20161 votes

I view Volibear as a fighter because his kit his more focused on damage over cc.

And I don't mean for tanks to have an easy lane. I mean that tanks need to have a chance to survive lane. Otherwise why would you play a tank in anywhere but support?

Why play a tank when a tanky bruiser can be just as effective if not more in generating threat because of the damage they give off?

This is why I think Riot should rework tanks next! The community doesn't seem to understand what a tank is in this game.

Having Riot give an updated and official definition of what a tank is and what they are supposed to do would be great.

PDE5 InhibApr 3, 20162 votes

I don't get this backwards community. First they want adc's to be buffed, the patch comes out, everyone crying about adc's. Some say that tanks are in a rough spot and get shredded, some say they are just too strong and unfair. What is it? Make up your minds people.

It's almost as if there aren't millions of players with different opinions.

To spell it out an easier way, since you don't understand it, the people that say they want ADCs to be buffed ARE NOT the same people saying ADCs are too strong.

DJColdCutzApr 3, 20161 votes

I think items are really screwed up right now... The Sunfire/Iceborn Gauntlet being built on anyone top lane and allowing them to do ridiculous amounts of damage, along with the emergence of "tank assassin" or bruiser builds on Akali/Jayce/Ekko/etc that turn squishy champions into unkillable champions that still do insane damage shows that items are not in a healthy place. Sunfire, Iceborn, Rageblade, and Maw all need changes right now..

Toa InnodenceApr 3, 20161 votes

I'd say tanks/bruisers that do damage should choose between resistances vs damage. I'd think it reasonable if you could melt a tank's health a bit if they can do the same.

ps im fine with base resistances of damage oriented tanks being relatively high so long as they don't scale well for resistances.