To Riot: Do Kassadin's Q and Viktor's R silence (even for a fraction of a second) or not?!

Cräfty··1 votes·1,025 views

Here is my full input on the matter:

I made a thread about TFT and some of its items. In there I mentioned that there are 6 champs with silence out of the 145 in league (not counting Rumble's self silence). But there was some people downvoting the thread and everything I write because they're so convinced that Kassadin is the the 7th champ that has a silence on his Q. And some even think that Viktor is the 8th one.

I tried to convince people that kassadin's Q, and Viktor's R, for that matter, are not silence abilities. Can a Rioter answer the question of whether they are in fact coded as silence abilities or they're just disrupt abilities and do not silence at all?! Also, can a Rioter confirm or deny anything I said in this thread?! Thanks.

EDIT: Patch 4.4, March 18th, 2014:

Null Sphere

  • No longer silences, but will still interrupt channels and charges.
  • Base damage changed to 80 / 105 / 130 / 155 / 180 from 80 / 110 / 140 / 170 / 200.
  • NEW EFFECT: Kassadin gains a 40 / 70 / 100 / 130 / 160 (+ 30% AP) magic shield for 1.5 seconds.

2nd EDIT: Patch 4.17, September 25th, 2014:

Chaos Storm

  • No longer silences on impact, but will still interrupt channels.

Exactly like stated in the patch notes for kassadin's Q, Viktor R does not silence.

Nowhere does it mention a small silence of 0.1 sec, or whatever that is. You think Riot will forget to mention such an important detail?! I don't think so, even for how bad they can be, they won't forget such a crucial detail.

Also, this 0.1 sec silence, some of you are talking about, is not even mentioned in the trivia section of kassadin's wiki page, or on his Q description on the wiki, for that matter. Same thing for Viktor's trivia page and his R.

TL;DR: This 0.1 sec silence is just a myth or a misinterpretation of the " silenced " you see pop up very briefly on your champ when hit by kassadin's Q (for example), if he interrupted your channel or charge! People need to understand that it is just a visual indication so that the player, who just got disrupted, gets the information that his ability just got interrupted!

  • Remember: " SILENCED " has less letters and more visually understandable than " INTERRUPTED ". Also, it fits better on top of the HP bar. That's why they kept it as a visual indicator for interruptions.

3rd EDIT:

  • FYI, debuffs on enemies only shows below the character portrait, in the top left corner of the screen, when you're targeting them. In the same way, debuffs on YOU are only shown on top of your character portrait (where your spells are). What you see on top of the HP bar of champions, however, is called state indicators. They're there to just indicate what just happened to the champion.
  • The problem is that Riot is using the " silenced " indicator as a way to tell people that they just got interrupted. And since the same indicator is also used when champs are really silenced (fiddle's E, for example) even before they cast anything, it makes people confused on what is considered a silence.
  • But that problem is quickly solved if people actually cared to read the patch notes, at least. Let alone read the league wiki for more details. But nope, they're just gonna interpret that interrupt = silence and the info will get stuck in their head as an undeniable fact, when in reality, it's just their brain interpreting things the wrong way and trying to make sense of it all.

4th EDIT: People still seem to misunderstand how CC is coded into the game so:

Now, Camille also uses disrupt in her R. Wouldn't the simple fact that Camille, Kassadin and Viktor are all in the same disrupt section, means that all of them do the exact same thing with the disrupt mechanic?!

  • FYI, when a mechanic is programmed and implemented into league (or any video game in which multiple NPCs use the same exact mechanic), it works the exact same way for all champions that utilize the said mechanic. A stun from Renekton works the same way as a stun from Anivia (both disables your movement and abilities). A root from Morgana is the same as a root from Neeko or Zyra (both disable your movement but allows you to cast and attack). What I mean is that they have the same characteristics. They may look different because of the spell animations, but the core mechanic and the programming behind the mechanic is exactly 100% the same. For the duration and target limitations, that's coded into the champion's spell, not the CC mechanic itself.
  • Riot does not program CC mechanics for every champion individually, but it codes the mechanic 1st separately, then make the champions draw from the mechanic's code to utilize it. Thus, there are no 6 different silences coded in each of the 6 champions that uses it, there is only 1 silence that exists in league and those 6 champions (7 if you count Rumble self silence, when overheated) draw the effect from the code of that one silence coded into the game.
  • In the same way, a disrupt from Camille is the same as a disrupt from Kassadin and Viktor. There is no reason, at all, for it to work differently between them since the mechanic of disrupt is only coded once into the game and is utilized by all 3 of them. So, there can't be a Kassadin's Q and Viktor's R that silence while Camille, who uses the same mechanic, doesn't silence. It is impossible!

If after all these proofs and reliable infos from the League wiki and Riot's patch notes themselves, you still think that kassadin's Q and Viktor's R are silences.. well, I can't help you!

-> It's really funny how I'm always providing proof after proof, from several sources, but, none of you guys, who believe that these abilities are silences, have provided any tangible proof from any reliable source yet. Hmmm, I wonder why?! xD

Please someone from Riot end this debate, people are too stubborn to understand, so maybe they'll believe you instead of me. If a Rioter denies everything I said, I would also accept defeat!

11 Comments

preternatural3 votes

kass's Q interrupts channels. so kata ulti, anivia ulti, janna ulti. it interrupts those. same with vik.

Cräfty1 votes

If only people actually understood things like you do, good sir.

Check out the clown fiesta in here: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/phjmbT3Z-somebody-explain-to-this-person-that-kassadins-q-is-not-a-silence-but-a-disrupt-ability?

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

Pika Fox2 votes

Its not a silence, it only stops active channels.

Cräfty1 votes

If only people actually understood things like you do, good sir.

Check out the clown fiesta in here: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/phjmbT3Z-somebody-explain-to-this-person-that-kassadins-q-is-not-a-silence-but-a-disrupt-ability?

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

preternatural1 votes

woah woah woah how do you get 6 champs with a silence? Soraka Malzahar Chogath Fiddlesticks Blitzcrank who the fuck am i missing? :/

Cräfty2 votes

I'll give you a hint:

**DEEEEMMMMAAAAACCCIIIIIIAAAAAAAAA **!

Pika Fox1 votes

{quoted}

I'll give you a hint:

**DEEEEMMMMAAAAACCCIIIIIIAAAAAAAAA **!

Lux ? JarvanIV ? Darius ?

Cräfty1 votes

Hmmm... Do they yell DEMACIA in game?! I don't remember to be honest.

But we all know I meant Garen THE demacia shouter! :p

Pika Fox1 votes

{quoted}

Hmmm... Do they yell DEMACIA in game?! I don't remember to be honest.

But we all know I meant Garen THE demacia shouter! :p

Jarvan and lux when ulting, darius as a joke

Cräfty1 votes

Oh! I didn't notice that. Today I learned! Thanks.

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

preternatural2 votes

{quoted}

I'll give you a hint:

**DEEEEMMMMAAAAACCCIIIIIIAAAAAAAAA **!

oh that's right i don't even count that one lolol. ok Rammus

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