why do people always seem to forget that some jg's need lvl 6 and flame them for not ganking

d4rkshock··5 votes·1,828 views

Rengar Shyvana Evelynn(ineffective because of a 2 sec delay) Malphite never had the bestganks before lvl 6. the only jg who doesn't get flamed for afk farming until lvl 6 is MasterYi. rengar has now way tog get to someoe unless they face check the bush in the river before lvl 6. shyvana is even worse. she has a speed buff but it doesn't go fast enough or last long enough likeVolibear Udyr. this means she has to summoner 4. ir she tooksummoner 6 summoner 3 , fine. most people don't do that. i know malphite has a slow. he cant really get them. i know it steals speed but not exactly ideal. with evenlynn, if you try to gank early botlane, they can easily stun you while the allure is charging. lvl 6 fixes that because she gets permanent invisibility. she also has no gap closers and the charm is unreliable why do people flame you for not ganking if your champion sjust cant do it before 6 unless its yiif they can see you.sure you may bring up item 2055 but in lower ranks, people forget they exist and i always check the bush. it not likeElise where is instant. if you attack before it charges, it only slows..why do people flame you for not ganking if your champion cant do it before 6 unless thy are pushing hard.

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NoPaxt2 votes

Doesn't mean the JG cannot have a presence in lane. Sometimes just showing up is enough.

Baron Barian4 votes

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Doesn't mean the JG cannot have a presence in lane. Sometimes just showing up is enough.

But that can take time away from getting the farm and xp they need of an actual gank. There's no reason to show up unless they're willing to commit to a gank, or the enemy laner will have nothing to be scared of.

Illabethe1 votes

Rough crowd downvoting you.

Yes. And by showing up in lane, they actually put the laner behind in XP.

You have no idea how Irate I get when I'm jungling and I gank a lane..... only for my perfect gank to be 100% ignored by my own team. I can Pyke , land Q, pull an adc right into my own adc/support, and they will literally keep autofarming minions. Sometimes this actually puts ME in a bad situation, because while the perfect gank would have resulted in 1-2 kills, instead.... I have 1-2 players chasing ME, and I have to try to survive for 30-40 seconds...... time that I could be using to farm or take a drake.....

NoPaxt1 votes

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But that can take time away from getting the farm and xp they need of an actual gank. There's no reason to show up unless they're willing to commit to a gank, or the enemy laner will have nothing to be scared of.

Unless it resets the lane fort you team....

DuskDaUmbreon2 votes

Usually you just have to show up and scare the enemy.

Also, the complaint there is usually less for the lack of ganks and more you picking a champ that can't gank pre-6.

Eedat2 votes

None of those champs cant gank before 6 . You should play different champs if you actually think you need to completely afk farm until level 6

Illabethe1 votes

You know exactly what he's arguing against - the fact laners blame junglers for their deaths when they feed lanes while the jungler is on the other side of the map, and do it every single time.

It's really hard to gank on these champs when the lanes are pushed out, the laners are pretty much suiciding, have no vision, and the lane snowball has gotten so bad that ganking that lane is pretty much allowing the laner to 1v2 you, and get 2 kills instead of one.

I'm pretty sure no one makes the argument of absolutes here. Sure.... these guys can gank lanes pre -6..... when their teams cooperate.

It's the teams who DON'T cooperate that complain that a jungler isn't ganking.

OtterlyLost1 votes

Iunno what you mean, no one flames Master Yi presix for not ganking. I mentally flame Yi jungles all the time because I think they're selfish useless picks that either bring nothing to the table because they're just going to AFK farm instead of applying pressure or they get an early lead and they proceed to take all of the kills, farm, and gold just to int at a critical moment because they think they can 1v5.

d4rkshock1 votes

i said he's the only jg that doesn't get flamed for afk farm til 6

ApollyonBainer1 votes

Good Yis can gank before 6 because his q gapclose power is insane. But most of the time if there isnt a kill its not worth it because farm is worth so much more. Lane pressure is nice tho. There always has to be a balance based on the match up. Like take sejuani. Her gank isnt worth dong until 3. Even then its better to gank a lane with a melee ally to get the e stun faster.

As far as a counter gank tho every jg should be able to if they can keep proper wards up and know where the enemy jg is going to be. Thats what makes a big difference. Their gank power might not be great till 6 but you have to try and help the counter

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