just a question about vaynes attack range. not a nerf suggestion

xDogMeatx··1 votes·607 views

why is vayne a marksmen assassin? if she excels in 1v1 setups why isnt her range at 1v1 dueling level which is 450? in my opinion thats 1v1 range. its a question not a nerf suggestion. 550 is pretty far away to be a 1v1 styled champ.

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MrFawknSunshine2 votes

well if it was shorter she would be less viable as an actual bot lane adc

xDogMeatx2 votes

thats true it would be less viable. but its always that vayne top thing that gets me asking myself though "dang thats alot of range." but yes i see your point in the matter.

MrFawknSunshine2 votes

she isnt intended to be a top laner, that isnt what she is designed around.

she has less then a 2% pick rate for top lane this patch for plat + world wide.

i have faced vayne top and other ranged adcs top many of times in my days of playing league. i typically play tanks and i hardly ever lose to a ranged top laner.

if i am vs a vayne i will typically rush two things in lane item 3047 item 3076 at this point she cant really do anything to you or other ranged top laners. and being a tank i typically have some kind of sustain in my kit and i have hard cc and gap closer to lock her /them down for kills from ganks.

when and how the squishy ranged adc champ top wins is when they counter pick the top laner. if that is the case you arent meant to win that match up/lane but that dont mean you lose the game.

sadly too many people try to think this game is 1 vs 1 when its not. you can pick and build for your team /against enemy to favor your win conditions , and use the team playing together to win.

you see this is pro play but in solo queue to many immature selfish i wanna carry type of players and they think cuz this dont work the game is unbalanced due to this.

xDogMeatx1 votes

what about juggernauts? true teamwork makes memework

MrFawknSunshine1 votes

well that is the counter to juggernauts, the are typically slow, have no gap closer and little to no cc

they die to being kited and auto to death.

but items like ninja tabs and bramle vest will still help.

if you are facing a vayne top as a juggernaut , couple of things you can do like darius you can run summoner 6 summoner 4 to catch her out and if you get to her you kill her easy summoner 3 summoner 4 to catch her and slow her DPS

best thing to do in this lane is try to freeze the lane just outside of your turret range and farm and make vayne play pushed up in lane and ask for ganks. and be willing to blow everything to lock her down.

DuskDaUmbreon1 votes

Well, the thing is - Vayne isn't a toplaner, and top has pretty much always been her shittiest role she can even come close to playing.

It's a lot of range compared to melee champions, yes, but that's the only thing she has going for her top. Almost any toplaner can wipe the floor with her, and she's dead if she gets ganked.

To compare - even when she was at 54% winrate her top winrate was something like 48%. Even when she was busted to hell and back she was still useless in top.

xDogMeatx1 votes

vayne was busted? how so? was it kassadin level?

DuskDaUmbreon1 votes

I don't remember when it was tbh. Some time later s7 I think. I want to say shortly before Ardent meta, but that's probably wrong.

No, it was not permaban Kass level (although boards acted like it was). She was like 54% winrate 20% pickrate or something.

And her toplane winrate was still fucking abysmal lmao.

xDogMeatx1 votes

honestly i feel vayne is a waste of ban i dont know why people ban her. her whole kit is entirely selfish. i would rather ban a yasuo or a yi due to the actual threat/anxiety they produce later in the game where if they purchase X items you auto lose. at least she has to wait till her whole item box is full to be godly.

DuskDaUmbreon2 votes

Because "assassin" is a shit word to describe her, and 450 range would require massive durability buffs for her to actually be remotely playable.

xDogMeatx1 votes

graves grit treatment you mean?

DuskDaUmbreon1 votes

Way more than just that.

Vayne is already one of the squishiest champions in the game. Shit tier resistances, shit tier health, no abilities that give durability, not really able to go into resolve...

Vayne is balanced around the fact that almost literally any champion in the game can one-shot her, regardless of their build. Reducing her range would completely fuck her over in teamfights, since she'd just have too little range and too little durability, so she'd have to have a durability increase, but then Riot would have to re-balance QE and R around being more durable and lower range...

It'd require a balancing effort on the scale of a smaller rework to do and not make Vayne useless or OP.

xDogMeatx1 votes

so do you think its doable having a adc having 450 attack range while maintaining her identity as a marksman duelist that can 1v1 well? we nah her identity would have to be erased if that happened.

MrFawknSunshine1 votes

also the adcs/range attack carries with shorter ranged then vayne

jinx at 525 kalista at 525 trist at 525 quinn at 525 xayah at 525 kog at 500 kindred at 500 jayce at 500 lucian at 500 sivir at 500 teemo at 500

DuskDaUmbreon1 votes

Jinx has Q for range.

Kalista has to have a shorter range because of her passive.

Trist has her passive.

Quinn is normally a toplaner, and does fine there. She has a shorter range to compensate.

Xayah...Not sure about tbh. Probably because of her W's MS and Q's range.

Kog has his W.

Kindred has their passive - which puts them at 575 range at just 4 stacks.

Jayce has Q and WQ for huge range and fucking huge range respectively, and is an actually viable ranged top, so he has a shorter AA range to compensate.

Lucian is probably in the same boat as Xayah.

Sivir has Q (which has huge range) and W (which bounces fucking everywhere). She doesn't need base AA range when she can already AA you from a mile away.

Teemo is the same as Quinn.

MrFawknSunshine1 votes

there are all base auto attack ranges with out any kind of modifiers

DuskDaUmbreon1 votes

Yes. And I'm saying WHY they have those ranges. And a few of them (Kindred, Jinx, Trist, Kog) are highly deceptive, since they almost always have a higher functional range.

KFCeytron1 votes

The problem is that Vayne doesn't have any way to interact with targets outside of her autoattack range, unlike other ADCs. Sivir, for example, can ult for her team with no enemies nearby as well as poke with Q and W, but all of Vayne's usefulness is packed into her autoattack range.

xDogMeatx1 votes

thats true. and a self buff on ult.

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